Questions & Mysteries Zoro and Sanji are perfect equals

[grey matter]

Roger is nothing more than a fraud. Luffy's benchmark are joyboy and nika not Roger. Zoro and sanji doesn't have equivalents like that. It's all about gods fruits now take Loki , imu etc.

You mentioned Yonko and wings, but Roger has a rank above the Yonkos and Rayleigh still ended up relative to him.

Who is to say Zoro or Sanji won't have someone similar in ancient era?
Zoro already has Ryuma at least, who is revered as a God centuries after his death, and like Joyboy gave world govt a PTSD. We have no idea the extend of power that he had, with just his floor being revealed to be Kaido.

For more than 20 years, Zoro's portrayal kept ambiguously fluctuating between Luffy and Sanji. Why do you think Oda is about to suddenly change a dynamic he has established since East Blue?
Witnessing literal repeat of Luffy wank post Katakuri, only to get a hard reality check in rooftop.

 

[SkySanji]

Ztards crying about Luffy in a thread about Zoro and Sanji

 

[Loki D. Terror]

You mentioned Yonko and wings, but Roger has a rank above the Yonkos and Rayleigh still ended up relative to him.

Who is to say Zoro or Sanji won't have someone similar in ancient era?
Zoro already has Ryuma at least, who is revered as a God centuries after his death, and like Joyboy gave world govt a PTSD. We have no idea the extend of power that he had, with just his floor being revealed to be Kaido.

For more than 20 years, Zoro's portrayal kept ambiguously fluctuating between Luffy and Sanji. Why do you think Oda is about to suddenly change a dynamic he has established since East Blue?
Witnessing literal repeat of Luffy wank post Katakuri, only to get a hard reality check in rooftop.

Ryuma was same as Kaido who kept others out of wano with his presence. There is 0 evidence he fought Hks or gorosei. Normal nobles means nothing.

Zoro and sanji are not connected to any gods nor they have god DFs. They can't enter god tiers which Luffy will.

Simply look at their current portrayal. One defeats a yonko and has 3B bounty. Others beat commanders and have 1B bounties.

 

[Fn Lucci]

You mentioned Yonko and wings, but Roger has a rank above the Yonkos and Rayleigh still ended up relative to him.

I really don't understand why WG slanders Roger. Is it really just a joke? Nika is the means, but Roger is the end.

 

[grey matter]

Ryuma was same as Kaido who kept others out of wano with his presence. There is 0 evidence he fought Hks or gorosei. Normal nobles means nothing.

Zoro and sanji are not connected to any gods nor they have god DFs. They can't enter god tiers which Luffy will.

Simply look at their current portrayal. One defeats a yonko and has 3B bounty. Others beat commanders and have 1B bounties.

Yeah, there will surely be PTSD lasting centuries, and fleet admiral being wary about "strength of samurai", if all Ryuma did was fight fodder nobles or CP. Reaching massively here.

Sure, until it happens. A post to necro (after 5-10 years lmao).

Ignoring that Zoro got direct portrayal with Oden (yonko level) in the same arc, with KoH mode. Only Sanji was lagging behind in portrayal in Wano, and as usual Oda pulls him up eventually as well, as seen in recent chapters.

I really don't understand why WG slanders Roger. Is it really just a joke? Nika is the means, but Roger is the end.

It's because Roger had to 1v2 Rocks, with Garp. Also because his rivalry with Rocks turned out to be mickey mouse shit. People had a lot of expectations, and Roger fell short, so he's being slandered.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Yeah, there will surely be PTSD lasting centuries, and fleet admiral being wary about "strength of samurai", if all Ryuma did was fight fodder nobles or CP. Reaching massively here.

Sure, until it happens. A post to necro (after 5-10 years lmao).

Ignoring that Zoro got direct portrayal with Oden (yonko level) in the same arc, with KoH mode. Only Sanji was lagging behind in portrayal in Wano, and as usual Oda pulls him up eventually as well, as seen in recent chapters.



It's because Roger had to 1v2 Rocks, with Garp. Also because his rivalry with Rocks turned out to be mickey mouse shit. People had a lot of expectations, and Roger fell short, so he's being slandered.

Ryuma is no different than Kaido. Both kept others out of wano.

Luffy has god tier fruit which both Zoro and sanji lack.

Loki , god of war , nika , joyboy , imu all shit on Roger or yonkos.

Zoro/Sanji need to have a god tier DF if they wants to enter god tier.

Also you ignored Luffy and Zoro's portrayal I mentioned.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

By portrayal it does seem like it even though Zoro has ACOC over sanji. Sanji recently looked better.

Crazy part is Zoro is ahead of the development of the main powers of the one piece world which is haki (CoC), but Sanji is still comparable to him without even having said haki.

 

[grey matter]

Ryuma is no different than Kaido. Both kept others out of wano.

Ryuma was just so overwhelming, just his aura did it for centuries after his death.
They are not remotely the same.

Luffy has god tier fruit which both Zoro and sanji lack.

Zoro/Sanji need to have a god tier DF if they wants to enter god tier.

And?

Rehashing the same argument from EL when Luffy got gears, only for Oda to just adjust the power levels regardless cause he values relative portrayal more.

Loki , god of war , nika , joyboy , imu all shit on Roger or yonkos.

I am not so sure about it, given Shanks is still about to go ham, and had his haki being used as a benchmark to compare to Joyboy's.

Even if it's true, it's just a matter of time before Zoro and Sanji get elevated accordingly as well.

Also you ignored Luffy and Zoro's portrayal I mentioned.

I didn't.
I countered it with the Oden argument. Both Luffy and Zoro had portrayals with Oden in Wano, where Oden was the benchmark.

Both reached that level, more or less. Just that Zoro is on more of a timer at that level than Luffy (I mean Luffy can operate at Oden level for a longer time than Zoro can), which is fine because Luffy is stronger than Zoro.

Or, are you referring to the bounty? Doesn't imply what you think it does, Kid and Law got the same bounty as Luffy. Leaders bounty is giga inflated as well, compared to underlings (which is why Mihawk's is just that insane). Loki's bounty is below Luffy's.

 

[Fn Lucci]

It's because Roger had to 1v2 Rocks, with Garp. Also because his rivalry with Rocks turned out to be mickey mouse shit. People had a lot of expectations, and Roger fell short, so he's being slandered.

We've known it was a 2v1 since before Act 3 of Wano, though. Not that getting help should even be an issue because that's all Luffy ever does. GV was actually better for Roger because we saw that Domi Reversi amped Rocks beyond his own strength, and he was in a position where Roger was sympathetic.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Ryuma was just so overwhelming, just his aura did it for centuries after his death.
They are not remotely the same.




And?

Rehashing the same argument from EL when Luffy got gears, only for Oda to just adjust the power levels regardless cause he values relative portrayal more.



I am not so sure about it, given Shanks is still about to go ham, and had his haki being used as a benchmark to compare to Joyboy's.

Even if it's true, it's just a matter of time before Zoro and Sanji get elevated accordingly as well.



I didn't.
I countered it with the Oden argument. Both Luffy and Zoro had portrayals with Oden in Wano, where Oden was the benchmark.

Both reached that level, more or less. Just that Zoro is on more of a timer at that level than Luffy (I mean Luffy can operate at Oden level for a longer time than Zoro can), which is fine because Luffy is stronger than Zoro.

Or, are you referring to the bounty? Doesn't imply what you think it does, Kid and Law got the same bounty as Luffy. Leaders bounty is giga inflated as well, compared to underlings (which is why Mihawk's is just that insane). Loki's bounty is below Luffy's.

Ryuma didn't do anything different. There is no reason not to go and conquer wano post ryuma death unless there were other strong samurai/top tiers. Once someone is dead , his power level means nothing.

When did oda equated Luffy with wings? Luffy was always much stronger than wings since Ennies lobby. Luffy has gotten more power ups than wings. The gap between Luffy and wings have simply increased from Ennies lobby. Luffy got G4 as completely new thing plus improving his gears. Got FS , acoa , ACOC , G5 etc. Zoro got ACOC and ACOA. Sanji only got exo amp.

Luffy defeated a yonko. Wings defeated commanders.

What has oden to do with anything? Zoro gave Kaido a scar which barely mattered in long term. Oden had Kaido dead to rights. Kaido acknowledged Luffy as someone who can fight on par with him. Luffy got a scene comparison with oden when that CP0 agent came between him and luffy's fight.

 

[Superior to you]

Exhibit A

There should be a policy on this site if you haven't read OP for at Least 15 years you shouldn't comment otherwise we will let in biggest retærds, who were born yesterday to comment on the 30 year old series.
Again i can tell you don't know anything GTFO

 

[Welkin]

Perfect equals would be Dorry and Brogy and they’re just not that

I don’t think the gap between them is as big as some people think but they aren’t dead equal. Just close in strength

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

So same trajectory as Roger/Rayleigh. Didn't stop Rayleigh from being comparable to Roger in strength, did it?

Literally same story from Dresrossa to Wano.
"Luffy is the 5th emperor, FS, Katakuri etc" only for rooftop to flip the entire script on it's head.

It's just tunnel vision, ignoring the broader narratives and portrayals. 2 or so years later, Zoro gonna do something crazy and we'll see another flip.


This dude always hated Kid/Law lol, he isn't objective about them.

TBF, I think their portrayal is similar to Zoro's, in that they are characters who get portrayed with Luffy but are obviously lagging behind for the most part.



By feats sure. I am arguing for portrayal.

Luffy's feats are considerably above Zoro's too btw. It's hard to argue Zoro can even defeat G4 Luffy, by feats Zoro vs G2/G3 is arguably debatable

Luffy potrayal farr surpasses Sanii what are you even talking about. Sanji has never even damaged a Arc villian

 

[Fn Lucci]

Luffy potrayal farr surpasses Sanii what are you even talking about. Sanji has never even damaged a Arc villian

Big Mom LOVED that cake though. The hunger pangs of not having it counts right?

 

[grey matter]

Ryuma didn't do anything different. There is no reason not to go and conquer wano post ryuma death unless there were other strong samurai/top tiers. Once someone is dead , his power level means nothing.

When did oda equated Luffy with wings? Luffy was always much stronger than wings since Ennies lobby. Luffy has gotten more power ups than wings. The gap between Luffy and wings have simply increased from Ennies lobby. Luffy got G4 as completely new thing plus improving his gears. Got FS , acoa , ACOC , G5 etc. Zoro got ACOC and ACOA. Sanji only got exo amp.

Luffy defeated a yonko. Wings defeated commanders.

What has oden to do with anything? Zoro gave Kaido a scar which barely mattered in long term. Oden had Kaido dead to rights. Kaido acknowledged Luffy as someone who can fight on par with him. Luffy got a scene comparison with oden when that CP0 agent came between him and luffy's fight.

I'm not going to endlessly argue with you about this, when all I need to do is wait for Oda to disprove you.

As usual, all Zoro fans need to do is wait and necro posts like this. And likewise, you can do the same if Zoro doesn't end up looking comparable to Luffy in the future.

Luffy potrayal farr surpasses Sanii what are you even talking about. Sanji has never even damaged a Arc villian

Sanji doesn't have duo portrayal with Luffy, but he has a trio portrayal via the monster trio, one of the oldest dynamics in the series.

Sanji has duo portrayal with Zoro, and Zoro has duo portrayal with Luffy.
If Sanji can give a good fight to Zoro (based on portrayal), by clear extension Luffy can't neg diff Sanji.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

I'm not going to endlessly argue with you about this, when all I need to do is wait for Oda to disprove you.

As usual, all Zoro fans need to do is wait and necro posts like this. And likewise, you can do the same if Zoro doesn't end up looking comparable to Luffy in the future.


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I don't have anything against zoro or sanji. For that matter currently I like zoro way more than goofy. I won't mind goofy getting killed and this manga chosing zoro as new MC. But as of now it does seem like oda is creating new god tiers with God DFs like imu , loki , joyboy , nika , zaza etc. And the gap between their opponents is also pretty big if we take wano into account. Roger never had a DF like that unlike luffy.

 

[MUUGEN]

you have been regurgitating this for years, but when will we finally see the pinnacle of existence not:

- pass out against Kaido
- being ragdolled by King pre CoC awakening
- getting stalled by Gucci
- fail to save a vegapunk clone against gandhi
- get one of his signature moves be no sold by a tail
- lament on the ground with „damn it“ from one omen
- ask a giant for a piggyback ride
- face yet another absolute fodder like s-ommers

how about you make concrete predictions for once and then we see how reality compares to those estimations…

elbaf is still long, so be bold, make a thread about how the pinnacle of existence will perform soon

you can easily collect all the haters and co there with their „deluded“ hate takes, because Im sure the pinnacle of existence surely lives up to your expectations so you have nothing to fear

 

[Rumble]

1. So what he was still nerf from lasers, fighting Marco. They was indication. Lol The indication is him hurting from lasers and Marco attacks. Lol what are you even saying.

Post the panels of the nerf or shut the fuck up. Sanji was clearing the way for Luffy before he got entangled with Black Maria.

2. So you really have 0 defense on him sneaking other than him saying nane attack. Lol. Just take your L

You don't know what sneaking means, you mental midget.

3. Bro you keep bodying yourself. Queen headbutted and Grab is in chapter 1034 the same chapter you referenced after he resolved himself. Why do you keep lying about this part. Is it because it goes against the narrative that Sanji neg diff queen after his resolved scene crushing raid suit.

Go revist 1034, retard.

4. So you have 0 argument about skypia performance. Lmao Sanji was getting his ass beat by 2nd strongest priest.

What is there to argue about, Sanji didn't get a 1v1 fight to compare, inbred filth.

5. Zoro literally disappeared from eyes in whiskey peak. This man talking about blitzing fodders. Zoro blitz Kaido. Sanji has literally no combat speed feats better than Zoro. He been getting hit all throughout post timeskip.

Big whoop Zoro perception blitzed fodders at Whiskey Peak. Sanji did that casually at Baratie.

You don't know what a sneak is, you don't know what a blitz is, all you know is how to smoke fictional cock.

1. Once again no argument for King being RHM and #2 and strongest vivrecard.

King is RHM because he was recruited first. The Vivre card doesn't contradict anything. Queen is his equal by narrative, and his superior by feats. Cry about it.

2. Zoro beat adult seraphim without bubble gun. Call me when Sanji dies this.

None of the Seraphim are adults, retard. They all ended up in a bubble. The only one that dominated in his fight with a Seraphim was Sanji. Cope.

3. When did I say Sanji wasn't injured?? I know he was injured clown. Zoro was fighting wyper before he fought ohm. Zoro didn't have his sword vs Ryuma. The point is Sanji got his chance to beat 2nd strongest and got his ass beat.

You brought up Sanji losing to Gin as if he wasn't nerfed by Pearl taking advantage of Gin taking Zeff hostage.

Wyper and Ohm are not impressive fights. No gives a fuck about them. Ryuma was weak as hell, Zoro literally mid diffed him. That fight was like 3 pages of 466 and then 467. Barely 1.5 chapters of Zoro having to deal with him because he was limited by Brooks' shadow. Empty calorie feats.

Ryuma usernames and avis are blackbelts for sword swallowing, the most retarded mfers in the space use them.

4. No arguments cause Sanji not beating 2nd strongest 😂😂😂

 

[Rumble]

Sanji's always nerfed. It's his status quo. Next you're gonna tell me he shared that one opponent with Jinbe because that nosebleed took all his strength

Yeah, it's almost like Oda has to manufactured circumstances to not embarass Zoro too much.

Sanji fought Wadatsumi because he endangered Nami. That finished is more impressive than anything Zoro does until Wano btw.

Sanji hit him with Concasse after he used an incredible amount of stamina fighting a commander, then left him to get jumped by Big Mom's whole crew

Even knocking out Luffy was for his own protection, yeah. Helps if you pay attention to the story.

You say that like it's unfair

I say that like it removes an excuse for Zoro to get injured when he puts himself in danger, whether it's for himself or behalf of others, as Sanji has had to.

How about crying over children, like Pudding?

Sanji cried for a bunch of reasons but you'd have to read to understand and not present yourself as an illiterate loser.

He's definitely really high up in the OP world, but no one else loses fights against people weaker than them

No one aside from his captain and Zoro. All you haters are the same, you complain about a manga you don't even read.

You post like whole chapters lmao. Please post all those instances of Queen being held as superior to King.

I've posted plenty of panels of Queen. His abilities are better. He has better beat feats, including knocking out an Emperor. The fuck has King proven aside from the fact he's too retarded to take advantage of his hax?

I guess a bite from Nusjuro would've been fatal, too?

Yeah.

Sanji can put himself in dangerous positions because he can recover, Zoro can't. You're almost getting it.

Sanji's the world's best chef by far, but he doesn't see the profit he should because he's always giving out free samples.

It only makes you write this when you come across like a fat prick with bad hygiene.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Post the panels of the nerf or shut the fuck up. Sanji was clearing the way for Luffy before he got entangled with Black Maria.



You don't know what sneaking means, you mental midget.



Go revist 1034, retard.



What is there to argue about, Sanji didn't get a 1v1 fight to compare, inbred filth.



Big whoop Zoro perception blitzed fodders at Whiskey Peak. Sanji did that casually at Baratie.

You don't know what a sneak is, you don't know what a blitz is, all you know is how to smoke fictional cock.



King is RHM because he was recruited first. The Vivre card doesn't contradict anything. Queen is his equal by narrative, and his superior by feats. Cry about it.



None of the Seraphim are adults, retard. They all ended up in a bubble. The only one that dominated in his fight with a Seraphim was Sanji. Cope.



You brought up Sanji losing to Gin as if he wasn't nerfed by Pearl taking advantage of Gin taking Zeff hostage.

Wyper and Ohm are not impressive fights. No gives a fuck about them. Ryuma was weak as hell, Zoro literally mid diffed him. That fight was like 3 pages of 466 and then 467. Barely 1.5 chapters of Zoro having to deal with him because he was limited by Brooks' shadow. Empty calorie feats.

Ryuma usernames and avis are blackbelts for sword swallowing, the most retarded mfers in the space use them.

1. I am not digging up panels. Go reread. Marco had him spitting blood and holding his head in pain.
2. I know exactly what sneaking means. Sanji snuck Queen multiple times while he was occupied.

3. Sigh bro just take your L. This happens after he resolved himself and crushed the Raidsuit. Just hold your L Lanji fan. Bodying you is getting embarrassing chapter 1034 like you asked. Another Lanji L.

4. I know he didn't get a 1 v 1. He got beat up by 2nd strongest priest with Help. Embarrassing

5. You keep talking about blitzing fodders. Who has Sanji blitz at Kaido status.

6. Right hand man dies not mean recruited first. Lmfaooooooo This guy getting so bodied he starts making shit up. Queen has no better feats and not equal. Never stated to be equal. King RHM and #2.
7. I am talking about Zoro beating King a Lunirian dummy.
8. Who cares if he was nerf? People fight nerf all the time. The fact is Sanji finally got the chance to be Zoro cause Zoro faced Yonkou level Mihawk. What did Sanji do in that spotlight? He got bodied.
9. Sanji literally got beat up by 2nd strongest priest but Zoro beating strongest after fighting wyper is bad. Lmao