Questions & Mysteries Zoro and Sanji are perfect equals

[Sir Yasheen]

Yasheen There’s A LOT we didn’t see from Vergo when he clashed with Sanji. Granted we don’t know how Sanji would’ve responded to Vergo techniques but still. Sanji uses Diable Jambe twice in that fight. At that point in the story the strongest technique Sanji has is Hell Memories.
I do think Sanji got the better of Vergo in their clashes , I don’t think Vergo would win just using legs. But if Vergo is using his entire arsenal that changes things…….

Even using his full arsenal, you have to admit oda nerfing Sanji was purposeful.

I’m not saying it’s a one sided low diff, but the sheer fact that with both holding back most their kit, nerfed Sanji was downright even with Vergo is a purposeful thing from Oda.

Oda made sure to highlight the increase in Sanjis durability when he not nerfed in WCI when he blocked an attack from BM

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yasheen There’s A LOT we didn’t see from Vergo when he clashed with Sanji. Granted we don’t know how Sanji would’ve responded to Vergo techniques but still. Sanji uses Diable Jambe twice in that fight. At that point in the story the strongest technique Sanji has is Hell Memories.
I do think Sanji got the better of Vergo in their clashes , I don’t think Vergo would win just using legs. But if Vergo is using his entire arsenal that changes things…….

Full Body Haki isn't an actual transformation lol
And Smoker dodged that attack easily

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

The difference is Vergo had to run away after not completing his goal. Vergos goal was to kill the G5 marines since he exposed himself as a traitor and nerfed Sanji stopped him.

There’s a reason Sanji had to be nerfed before stalemating Vergo

How dies that change Vetgo didn't use his haki or bamboo stick?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

I've been consistent about this for years as well.
Yeah, portrayal wise, it's a high diff at least between Luffy/Zoro and Zoro/Sanji.

Feats often go wild though.

Sanji ised his strongest ultimate attack along with Bonney on Luffy and Luffy was laughing a few moments later. Stop the BS G5 Luffy would Low diff Sanji

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

It's referencing Kuroobi at Arlong Park and Absalom.

The only hits Kuroobi got in on Sanji were due to his concern for Zoro and Luffy.

Spoiler: Kuroobi

Absalom was a weakling to Sanji, but he still got free hits in by endangering Nami.

Spoiler: Absalom

Kuroobi, Mr 2, Jabra and Queen are Sanji's signature wins. He beat all of them despite some kind of nerf acquired prior or during the battle, or both in the case of Queen.



Ryuma's body was limited by Brooks' shadow and couldn't do much to challenge Zoro directly. It was a respectable mid diff.

That has 0 bearing on Sanji's shadow in a weak body equalling Zoro's in a strong body.



Zoro took far less damage than Sanji, who also got hit with a Gatling.

TB Zoro has no feat on par with this.

Spoiler: Sanji deflecting Oars

Sanji had better feats that entire fight.

Spoiler: Sanji vs Oars feats

Sanji has always had better physicality than Zoro across the board. Speed, strength, durability and endurance have always been in his favour.

Intangibles like battle IQ have been as well.

1. Queen literally got nerf from Sanji sneaking him a bunch of times before the fight and at the end of the fight and shooting himself twice and fighting Marco.
2. Sanji isn't better than Zoro at anything which is why he got KO by back of Zoro sword. While Zoro took way more damage than Sanji. Also this is showcased in Skypiea where Sanji jumped his priest after getting his ass beat while Zoro fought Wyoer than his priest back to back. They has never been an arc where Sanji outperformed Zoro.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

How dies that change Vetgo didn't use his haki or bamboo stick?

There’s no evidence he never used haki. Even in “Full body haki” Oda never covered his pants black. Neither of them went all out, but only one of them was physically nerfed

 

[FutureWarrior123]

At best the gap is like between Kaku and Jabra, if there even is one.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

There’s no evidence he never used haki. Even in “Full body haki” Oda never covered his pants black. Neither of them went all out, but only one of them was physically nerfed

Sanji crack his leg when this his thing and then started implying he might of lost after feeling the pain.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Sanji crack his leg when this his thing and then started implying he might of lost after feeling the pain.

Sanji using that cracked leg kept equally clashing with Vergo after this.

It’s insane how nerfed Sanji had to be for Vergo to “Might win”

 

[Rumble]

1. Queen literally got nerf from Sanji sneaking him a bunch of times before the fight and at the end of the fight and shooting himself twice and fighting Marco.

Sanji was tortured by Black Mariah and 1v2'd King and Queen for a time.

Spoiler: ch 1005 + 1022

He didn't sneak Queen, he literally shouted before every attack.

Spoiler: ch 1015 + 1017

Queen couldn't touch him in their 1v1 until the Germa awakening got in the way and he landed a bunch of free hits.

Spoiler: ch 1034

2. Sanji isn't better than Zoro at anything which is why he got KO by back of Zoro sword. While Zoro took way more damage than Sanji.

Are you retarded by birth or happenstance? Sanji took much more damage during TB than Zoro did.

He has always been physically and mentally superior across and the board.

Zoro only has AP, defense and cutting.

Also this is showcased in Skypiea where Sanji jumped his priest after getting his ass beat while Zoro fought Wyoer than his priest back to back. They has never been an arc where Sanji outperformed Zoro.

Tourist.

Zoro got knocked out instantly by a fraction of the attack an already nerfed Sanji took.

Spoiler: ch 275 + 276

Spoiler: ch 284

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yeah Sanji instead said that his body was badly messed up already prior to The fight. Vergo didn’t beat anyone who wasn’t plot restricted

So we agree that he beat Sanji and Smoker. Then they both got a follow up from his boss.

Absalom was a weakling to Sanji, but he still got free hits in by endangering Nami.

Spoiler: Absalom

Free hits is Sanji's MO. Even against an enemy he should beat, they find a way. You said that with Kuroobi and Absalom (who isn't even said to have any skills with a blade, he just pulled one out and used it because it was free), and Bon got in free hits by shifting to Nami even though he obviously wasn't Nami. You brought up Oars getting in some hits, too, and I don't see how getting hit more is a good thing. Zoro's obviously more defensively responsible, and Sanji is exposed because he doesn't even block with his arms.

At best the gap is like between Kaku and Jabra, if there even is one.

Is? There was a clear gap back then and it's gotten much worse for Jabura post time skip

 

[Rumble]

At best the gap is like between Kaku and Jabra, if there even is one.

There was a gap between the W7 versions of these characters, and it was clearly in Jabra's favour to anyone with reading comprehension.

 

[Rumble]

Free hits is Sanji's MO. Even against an enemy he should beat, they find a way.

Yeah, that way is either being a woman or putting one in danger.

You said that with Kuroobi and Absalom (who isn't even said to have any skills with a blade, he just pulled one out and used it because it was free), and Bon got in free hits by shifting to Nami even though he obviously wasn't Nami.

You're almost getting it.

You brought up Oars getting in some hits, too, and I don't see how getting hit more is a good thing. Zoro's obviously more defensively responsible, and Sanji is exposed because he doesn't even block with his arms.

Oars' hits weren't free, Oars hit him because he was strong and fast.

Zoro's not more defensively responsible, he's come close to dying in clean 1v1s because he is so hittable.

Sanji is exposed by circumstances out of his control.

Spoiler: SBS 50

Zoro is exposed by being hittable due to his inferior physicality versus opponents and average at best fight IQ.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

So we agree that he beat Sanji and Smoker. Then they both got a follow up from his boss.

Free hits is Sanji's MO. Even against an enemy he should beat, they find a way. You said that with Kuroobi and Absalom (who isn't even said to have any skills with a blade, he just pulled one out and used it because it was free), and Bon got in free hits by shifting to Nami even though he obviously wasn't Nami. You brought up Oars getting in some hits, too, and I don't see how getting hit more is a good thing. Zoro's obviously more defensively responsible, and Sanji is exposed because he doesn't even block with his arms.



Is? There was a clear gap back then and it's gotten much worse for Jabura post time skip

Vergo beat Smoker due to Smoker not going for the W and tied with nerf Sanji. Then got one shot by Law

 

[Fn Lucci]

Zoro's not more defensively responsible, he's come close to dying in clean 1v1s

Because that's how swords and other weapons tend to work. Meanwhile if you look at Sanji vs Judge for example, the intent obviously wasn't to kill Sanji. Going kick for kick and losing usually isn't fatal though.

because he is so hittable.

Sanji is exposed by circumstances out of his control.

Circumstances will always be beyond control. That's life, and it goes double for pirates. They don't play fair.

As you say, Sanji is honorable and chivalrous. That's not being more responsible lol. But speaking of pirates it does align him with Luffy's goal of being the freest man on the sea.

Spoiler

Sanji's fight with Queen was actually the ultimate battle of freedom

Spoiler

Fight IQ, lol

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Sanji was tortured by Black Mariah and 1v2'd King and Queen for a time.

Spoiler: ch 1005 + 1022

He didn't sneak Queen, he literally shouted before every attack.

Spoiler: ch 1015 + 1017

Queen couldn't touch him in their 1v1 until the Germa awakening got the in the way and he landed a bunch of free hits.

Spoiler: ch 1034

Are you retarded by birth or happenstance? Sanji took much more damage during TB than Zoro did.

He has always been physically and mentally superior across and the board.

Zoro only has AP, defense and cutting.



Tourist.

Zoro got knocked out instantly by a fraction of the attack an already nerfed Sanji took.

Spoiler: ch 275 + 276

Spoiler: ch 284

1. I never disputed Sanji wasn't nerf. I was pointing out Queen went through alot too and another tjing Zoro cut his weapon. So they both had nerfs and Sanji got took to extreme diff and fainted.

2. Shouting your attack name doesn't stop it from being a sneak. He was mid attacking someone else everytime. He snuck him a bunch of times. You want to bring up sneaks but now want to make excuses.

3. Lmao how did the Germa awakening got in the way when he headbutted him. He had already resolved himself when he got headbutted and grabbed. Lamji fans trying to lie cause he went extreme diff with Queen

4. Zoro literally Fought the strongest priest, wyoer and took two attacks from Enel not one. You didn't counter my point that he jumped his matchup

 

[Rumble]

Because that's how swords and other weapons tend to work. Meanwhile if you look at Sanji vs Judge for example, the intent obviously wasn't to kill Sanji. Going kick for kick and losing usually isn't fatal though.

wtf are you talking about? Go revist 833. The kick he landed didn't leave a scratch or draw a drop of blood. Just look at Sanji's face, that didn't affect him.

Circumstances will always be beyond control. That's life, and it goes double for pirates. They don't play fair. As you say, Sanji is honorable and chivalrous. That's not being more responsible lol.

That got nothing to do with what we're talking about.

You asserted Zoro is more responsible defensively. He isn't. He can barely protect himself in 1v1s against real competition when he doesn't have external factors making that difficult.

But speaking of pirates it does align him with Luffy's goal of being the freest man on the sea.

Sanji lives as he chooses to. That's what freedom means.

Sanji's fight with Queen was actually the ultimate battle of freedom

Yeah, as an extension of identity.

Fight IQ, lol

Queen having a silly moment doesn't change he played his cards into KO'ing Big Mom.

Zoro has average at best fight IQ, Egghead exposed that.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Yeah, that way is either being a woman or putting one in danger.



You're almost getting it.



Oars' hits weren't free, Oars hit him because he was strong and fast.

Zoro's not more defensively responsible, he's come close to dying in clean 1v1s because he is so hittable.

Sanji is exposed by circumstances out of his control.

Spoiler: SBS 50

Zoro is exposed by being hittable due to his inferior physicality versus opponents and average at best fight IQ.

Sanji has no better combat speed feats than Zoro. Sanji is hit able. Drake hit him, Daifuku hit him, Kizaru hit him, Queen hit him. Sanji got hit by WCI fodders and saved by brother who called him slow. I don't see this unhittable person you made up in your brain.

 

[StellarRemnant]

Right now they are 100% equals, as Oda has consistently portrayed them all throughout the story. When Sanji unlocks CoC this arc, there might be an argument for Sanji > Zoro.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

wtf are you talking about? Go revist 833.



That got nothing to do with what we're talking about.

You asserted Zoro is more responsible defensively. He isn't. He can barely protect himself in 1v1s against real competition when he doesn't have external factors making that difficult.



Sanji lives as he chooses to. That's what freedom means.



Yeah, as an extension of identity.



Queen having a silly moment doesn't change he played his cards into KO'ing Big Mom.

Zoro has average at best fight IQ, Egghead exposed that.

Egghead didn't expose anything. Zoro solved King thing in like 5 minutes while Future PK and Lucci didn't know what was going on.