Break Week Zoro did in fact show everything he learnt/mastered from TS

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Ok, so if Zoro used Asura for one attack, you'd say he was going all out? Did Luffy go all out against the Fodder Ship because he used the same attack he;s using on Kaido? All out is when you use a wide variety of moves. Zoro showed off a lot of them. And then he ran through his options left vs Pica in the chapter Zoro vs Pica. If he had a more powerful Asura, why not Asura and 1080x9 Calibre Phoenix or whatever. Why not 9 Sword Style obliterate the Golem instead of relying on the King punch? Literally what does Asura do here that is simultaneously better than ISDS but weaker than King Punch?

no because one attack isnt going all out no matter the form
Asura is his G4 hells memories equivalent. We know this is because when Sanji used DJ and Luffy used G3 Zoro used his Ougi meaning Asura>Ougi

Asura Was always his strongest form Pre TS we know this because it was portrayed alongside G3

So tell me if Sanji never showed DJ or Luffy never showed G3 you would say they werehadnt gone all outbut when its Zoro he has?[/QUOTE]

 

[Haoshoku]

Every single one of these threads ages faster than milk man lmao. Zoro has yet to display his Asura, Oda hasn’t just forgotton about a mode like that especially when the fire cutting wasn’t forgotten about. When push comes to shove, he’s gonna bring it out.

 

[duckman]

Luffy said he was going all out vs Cracker before even using Gear 4.

Sanji said he went all out against Luffy.

Sanji was clearly going all out vs Doflamingo without using HM. He didn't even use the Sparky DJ he used against the Kraken and wanted to use against Judge. He was enraged with Judge, but didn't use the Speed he showed against Oven.

Akainu was clearly going all out against WB but he didn't use all his moves at the same time.

So yeah, I'm fairly in agreement that it's possible to go "all out" without showing literally everything you have.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Luffy said he was going all out vs Cracker before even using Gear 4.

Sanji said he went all out against Luffy.

Sanji was clearly going all out vs Doflamingo without using HM. He didn't even use the Sparky DJ he used against the Kraken and wanted to use against Judge. He was enraged with Judge, but didn't use the Speed he showed against Oven.

Akainu was clearly going all out against WB but he didn't use all his moves at the same time.

So yeah, I'm fairly in agreement that it's possible to go "all out" without showing literally everything you have.

So if Sanji never showed DJ and the most he showed an improved anti manner kick course would you say Sanji went all out

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Every single one of these threads ages faster than milk man lmao. Zoro has yet to display his Asura, Oda hasn’t just forgotton about a mode like that especially when the fire cutting wasn’t forgotten about. When push comes to shove, he’s gonna bring it out.

Remember when he brings it out. That means he WSS already. Just like Luffy hiding G4 and bringing out vs Doffy made him Youkou level. Zoro hater 101 playbook

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Luffy said he was going all out vs Cracker before even using Gear 4.

Sanji said he went all out against Luffy.

Sanji was clearly going all out vs Doflamingo without using HM. He didn't even use the Sparky DJ he used against the Kraken and wanted to use against Judge. He was enraged with Judge, but didn't use the Speed he showed against Oven.

Akainu was clearly going all out against WB but he didn't use all his moves at the same time.

So yeah, I'm fairly in agreement that it's possible to go "all out" without showing literally everything you have.

Luffy said he was fighting serious not going all out woth everything he got.

 

[CbShadow]

Shown everything doesn't mean they have to battle an extreme battle

You can be shown at your limits and using your best attacks without fighting a hard battle

No writer hands PUs and trainings if the character didn't show everything they had /mastered from their Timeskip

You really should go back and reread the manga.

Here is Luffy ganning future sight.

Spoiler

Before he shows off gear four which is the power he learned during the time skip.

Spoiler

Luffy has proven everything you said wrong.

He gained a power up before he showed off a power he learned during the time skip. He almost caused an entire village to be destroyed and died I guess an opponent because his new power he learned over the top skill wasn't used during those situations.

Luffy needed to save everyone in FMI from Noah so he decides to use his elephant gun.

Spoiler

Instead of using his strongest attack, King Kong gun, or at least G4 Kong Gun attack which are much stronger than any of his G3 attacks.

Spoiler

You see how plot works. Let's look at it again.

Zoro has to save the king and everybody else on top of the plateau so the first technique to uses is a name attack, is 1 billion world.

Spoiler

Then the rest of the attacks against the golem are none name attacks. He cuts the golem up with those attacks. Which proves he didn't even need to use the name attack to initially cut the golem.

Spoiler

He then use a weaker name attack against Pica real body than he did against the Golem.

Spoiler

You see Zoro didn't even need to use his billion fold
Zoro ultimate move is asura.

 

[duckman]

So if Sanji never showed DJ and the most he showed an improved anti manner kick course would you say Sanji went all out

It has been 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. If Sanji stopped using Dj for 10 years and only used AMKC I'd say fair enough, he's dropped that. A baby has been born and finished school and Zoro hasn't used Asura. Whole manga have started and ended.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

It has been 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. If Sanji stopped using Dj for 10 years and only used AMKC I'd say fair enough, he's dropped that. A baby has been born and finished school and Zoro hasn't used Asura. Whole manga have started and ended.

People finish school in ten years? News to me.
So you think Sanji dropped his strongest move in this scenario but for what reason would he drop it

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Every single one of these threads ages faster than milk man lmao. Zoro has yet to display his Asura, Oda hasn’t just forgotton about a mode like that especially when the fire cutting wasn’t forgotten about. When push comes to shove, he’s gonna bring it out.

Zoro was at his limits skills wise...nothing left
Thats why he got Enma and training to boost his power and learned to cut fire.

Luffy doesn't need to spam KKG or KC to show us that he is at his limits combat wise
Thats why Oda grants him haki training .

 

[CbShadow]

It has been 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. 10 years. If Sanji stopped using Dj for 10 years and only used AMKC I'd say fair enough, he's dropped that. A baby has been born and finished school and Zoro hasn't used Asura. Whole manga have started and ended.

So what if it's been 10 years. You still haven't been in a situation where he's being pushed to use that technique.

Remember, Luffy almost died and allowing entire village to be destroyed because he, or should I say Oda, refused to use G4.

You still haven't been able to counter my post.

Luffy needed to save everyone in FMI from Noah so he decides to use his elephant gun, HE attack.

Spoiler

Instead of using his strongest attack, King Kong gun, or at least G4 Kong Gun attacks, which are much stronger than any of his G3 attacks.

Spoiler

You see how plot works. Let's look at it again.

Zoro had to save the king and everybody else on top of the plateau so the first technique to use a name attack, 1 billion world.

Spoiler

Then the rest of the attacks on the golem are none name attacks. He cuts the golem up with those attacks. Which proves he didn't even need to use the name attack to initially cut the golem.

Spoiler

He then use a weaker name attack against Pica real body than he did against the Golem.

Spoiler

You see Zoro didn't even need to use his billion fold
Zoro ultimate move is asura.

 

[Bullet]

No he didn't forget or lose it tho i agree he showed most of what he had
Ashura is probably Zoro's strongest attack ( a bit above the one he used on Pica ) but not a mode or something so i don't see it making him that much stronger anyway
If he's losing extreme diff Ashura will make him win extreme diff and that's about it

 

[Rekien]

Asura

 

[HA001]

No he didn't forget or lose it tho i agree he showed most of what he had
Ashura is probably Zoro's strongest attack ( a bit above the one he used on Pica ) but not a mode or something so i don't see it making him that much stronger anyway
If he's losing extreme diff Ashura will make him win extreme diff and that's about it

It is a mode. Hes shown multiple attacks with it.

 

[CbShadow]

No he didn't forget or lose it tho i agree he showed most of what he had
Ashura is probably Zoro's strongest attack ( a bit above the one he used on Pica ) but not a mode or something so i don't see it making him that much stronger anyway
If he's losing extreme diff Ashura will make him win extreme diff and that's about it

It's a mode. Ashura it's the name given me to his 9 sword style.

And it's much stronger than anything else. It turned Kaku's strongest attack into mist.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

No he didn't forget or lose it tho i agree he showed most of what he had
Ashura is probably Zoro's strongest attack ( a bit above the one he used on Pica ) but not a mode or something so i don't see it making him that much stronger anyway
If he's losing extreme diff Ashura will make him win extreme diff and that's about it

Kaku was barely hurt

but when asura came out he was one shot

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

No he didn't forget or lose it tho i agree he showed most of what he had
Ashura is probably Zoro's strongest attack ( a bit above the one he used on Pica ) but not a mode or something so i don't see it making him that much stronger anyway
If he's losing extreme diff Ashura will make him win extreme diff and that's about it

It is a mode. Its 9 sword style

 

[The White Crane]

Ashura this or that yet Oda doesn't even bother hinting at it again ...so for now it is useless to mention it.
At least Oda showed KKG in training again in Wano since DR and Showed DJ/gear 2/g3...

Zoro was serious and did his best moves to beat Pica.

I said it and will keep saying it,
He showed everything from TS and that's why he got Enma and training to grow stronger.

If you say Zoro didn't go all out or held back...
You are lying coz he is serious whenever he puts the bandana. That means he is performing his best to destroy/beat/cut something or someone.

Now Oda is pairing Enma Zoro with Killer as rivals.

He was never stronger than or equal to Luffy after TS or else Oda won't group him with Sanji or with Killer who are both not even equal to pre fs luffy . Oda would have grouped him with Law or Kidd in this arc.

Timeskip training :

• Luffy showed G4 and redhawk
• Zoro showed improved versions of his attacks
• Sanji showed HM , DJ cross and improved DJ attacks
• Then Luffy got FS and Adcoa , Zoro got Enma and Sanji got RS.

Without their PUs:

• G4 Luffy ~ Marco/King/Doffy at best.
• Zoro ~ Law /Jack/Pero
• Sanji >~ Oven/Daifuku

If Zoro doesn't show Ashura in this arc then Ashusa doesn't exists anymore or Oda retconned it.
You can't compare Enma Zoro to DR zoro...wano zoro trained and has enma, he is above DR Zoro.
And he doesn't have Penetration haki.
He's relying on Enma not haki!! Just like sanji relying on RS nowadays while Luffy relies on FS and ryuo.

Another thread that will age like milk unlocked!

 

[Zolo]

Ashura with enma = hells memories with RS... if zoro even has ashura anymore, I personally never liked its design... can zoro cut RS? I dunno... but from perspective of plot Even without ashura and just with enma or advance ryou zoro will be = sanji

 

[Finalbeta]

Ashura with enma = hells memories with RS... if zoro even has ashura anymore, I personally never liked its design... can zoro cut RS? I dunno... but from perspective of plot Even without ashura and just with enma or advance ryou zoro will be = sanji

No lol man.

Asura grants Zoro the capability to one shot his own base self. There's no reason Sanji is one shotting base Zoro, heck base Zoro can likely defeat RS Sanji without relying on Asura.

 

[Zolo]

No lol man.

Asura grants Zoro the capability to one shot his own base self. There's no reason Sanji is one shotting base Zoro, heck base Zoro can likely defeat RS Sanji without relying on Asura.

Do you believe base zoro could survive HM?