Powers & Abilities Zoro doesn’t know he has Ashura

ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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this idea that Zoro is so clueless as to not know what powers he has is a cheap storytelling tactic to set up Zoro not knowing what Ashura is.

This is similar to how Zoro used AdvCoA in Alabasta before actually learning regular CoA with direct training from Mihawk…

Oda is setting up that Zoro has been using Ashura for Years now (as in Years in the story itself) but he somehow HAS NO FUCKING IDEA what he’s doing

The reason Zoro’s Ashura isn’t treated the same way as Luffy’s gears and Sanji’s diable jambe even though they are all power ups from the same arc… Is because Zoro, somehow for 2 years now, has no idea he has Ashura… same way he didn’t know he had CoA in Alabasta and didn’t know he had CoC

This is set up for Zoro at the last minute to actually recognize that he has this bizarre ability to cut people with his soul and then he’ll get some power up from actually understanding he has Ashura at the very last moment when the series is ending
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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moreha9685 said:
He may be (narratively-induced) stupid, but he ain't blind. Blud can see that suddenly he's using nine fucking swords instead of three.
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But it’s an illusion… In the world of the story it’s an described as illusion

So there could be a difference between what we see on page and what Zoro himself sees in the story

also the names of attacks are regularly metaphorical so Zoro could just think he’s doing a metaphorical 9 sword style
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

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ImmaIvanoM said:
this idea that Zoro is so clueless as to not know what powers he has is a cheap storytelling tactic to set up Zoro not knowing what Ashura is.

This is similar to how Zoro used AdvCoA in Alabasta before actually learning regular CoA with direct training from Mihawk…

Oda is setting up that Zoro has been using Ashura for Years now (as in Years in the story itself) but he somehow HAS NO FUCKING IDEA what he’s doing

The reason Zoro’s Ashura isn’t treated the same way as Luffy’s gears and Sanji’s diable jambe even though they are all power ups from the same arc… Is because Zoro, somehow for 2 years now, has no idea he has Ashura… same way he didn’t know he had CoA in Alabasta and didn’t know he had CoC

This is set up for Zoro at the last minute to actually recognize that he has this bizarre ability to cut people with his soul and then he’ll get some power up from actually understanding he has Ashura at the very last moment when the series is ending
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This would make sense if Zoro literally didn’t say the name of the technique every time he used it 😭✌️


I mean Zoro verbatim says “nine sword style” and “demon aura” every time he’s used it. He obviously knows what he’s doing lmao

With that being said, it’s kinda crazy how Zoro’s only used a power up he unlocked in Enies Lobby only thrice. Sanji’s and Luffy’s respective powerups from that arc (DJ and G2/3) have been used countless times since. I mean both of them don’t even say their forms when they use it anymore
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

GalaxyLevelShanks

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zzShinichi said:
TBF we as readers don't even know what the fuck Ashura even is and I doubt any of us is as dumb as Zoro
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Enies lobby is usually remembered through rose tinted nostalgia glasses but if Zoro unlocked Asura today the meltdown in the community would be insane. It was one of the biggest asspulls I’ve seen and it’s still not been given a proper explanation 700 chapters later
 
Vanlax

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He literally calls it Nine Sword Style.

He just doesn't know he is using COC.

He goes all out, that's all he is thinking.

Even KOH he doesn't know he is using COC coating, all he knows is he is going all out and not holding back.

Edit: What we don't know is what kind of haki application Asura is. It's intuitive for Zoro, I guess. Even he doesn't know what it is other than going all out.
 
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moreha9685

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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
Enies lobby is usually remembered through rose tinted nostalgia glasses but if Zoro unlocked Asura today the meltdown in the community would be insane. It was one of the biggest asspulls I’ve seen and it’s still not been given a proper explanation 700 chapters later
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All the Enies Lobby powerups were asspulls, from the Gears to DJ to Ashura. The first time we saw the consequences of G3 the fandom was full of theories about Luffy's premature death.
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

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moreha9685 said:
All the Enies Lobby powerups were asspulls, from the Gears to DJ to Ashura. The first time we saw the consequences of G3 the fandom was full of theories about Luffy's premature death.
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Hell nah. G2 and G3 makes sense. G2 is him using the rubbery properties to make his blood flow a lot faster giving him temporary (at the time, now permanent) speed and power amp. G3 is him creating a small hole in the limb he’s inflating and blowing air into it. DJ makes the most sense. Friction by spinning very fast and creating fire with the friction. Tho post ts is BS since he just spawns it out of no where or through hell memories.

Asura got no explanation. Just demon aura fuckass bullshit
 
ImmaIvanoM

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MonsterKaido said:
Nah. Zoro himself named the technique in this case.
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Names are metaphorical in OP read below
GalaxyLevelShanks said:
This would make sense if Zoro literally didn’t say the name of the technique every time he used it 😭✌️


I mean Zoro verbatim says “nine sword style” and “demon aura” every time he’s used it. He obviously knows what he’s doing lmao

With that being said, it’s kinda crazy how Zoro’s only used a power up he unlocked in Enies Lobby only thrice. Sanji’s and Luffy’s respective powerups from that arc (DJ and G2/3) have been used countless times since. I mean both of them don’t even say their forms when they use it anymore
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But see the names of abilities are metaphorical in OP… Like Luffy doesn’t have guns on his fists… Sanji’s fire isn’t from the literal devil despite the names… Zoro knows he’s doing something when he uses Ashura but it’s likely he has no concept of what it is

also it’s important to note that Ashura is an illusion in the story… So there could be certain differences between what characters see vs what Zoro sees… Like no one has ever mentioned Ashura to zoro

have you noticed that? Oda has characters see Ashura with their own eyes and react like Kaido, Law, Chopper, Usopp, Kaku, they’ve all seen Ashura… But none of them has gone like “hey Zoro, what the fuck is that?”
Vanlax said:
He literally calls it Nine Sword Style.

He just doesn't know he is using COC.

He goes all out, that's all he is thinking.

Even KOH he doesn't know he is using COC coating, all he knows is he is going all out and not holding back.

Edit: What we don't know is what kind of haki application Asura is. It's intuitive for Zoro, I guess. Even he doesn't know what it is other than going all out.
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Names are metaphorical… Read above
 
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moreha9685

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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
Hell nah. G2 and G3 makes sense. G2 is him using the rubbery properties to make his blood flow a lot faster giving him temporary (at the time, now permanent) speed and power amp. G3 is him creating a small hole in the limb he’s inflating and blowing air into it. DJ makes the most sense. Friction by spinning very fast and creating fire with the friction. Tho post ts is BS since he just spawns it out of no where or through hell memories.
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The gears are Luffy taking his rubber body to the extreme by pumping blood and blowing air within his bones (somehow).
DJ is just Sanji spinning fast on the spot & igniting his "passionate" heart.
Ashura is Zoro's will of winning at all costs imposing itself over reality.

They all make sense within the character's identities.

But they were asspulls nonetheless. They came out of nowhere. The M3 was defeated, then immediately afterwards Luffy was a biochemist genius able to alter his body, Sanji could generate elemental attacks because speed, and Zoro's mental intimidation incarnated without a precedent in the whole OP story up to that point.

We're 900 chapters later and still got no actual explanation for half of those powerups. (As in, Luffy's gears are supposed to foreshadow him being a zoan and having different forms + being a reality-warper; we're supposed to believe he is a genius for knowing that hot blood = higher movement, yet he's too dumb to know you can't blow air into your thumb to inflate your bones?)
 
Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
This would make sense if Zoro literally didn’t say the name of the technique every time he used it 😭✌️


I mean Zoro verbatim says “nine sword style” and “demon aura” every time he’s used it. He obviously knows what he’s doing lmao

With that being said, it’s kinda crazy how Zoro’s only used a power up he unlocked in Enies Lobby only thrice. Sanji’s and Luffy’s respective powerups from that arc (DJ and G2/3) have been used countless times since. I mean both of them don’t even say their forms when they use it anymore
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I think Zoro doesn't use it as much because he doesn't need it as much
Like against Vergo, Doffy, Judge, Queen etc., Sanji needed Diable Jambe. But Zoro wouldn't need Asura for those guys (well Dressrosa Zoro would need Asura for Doffy but ykwim).
Oda consistently makes it so he can win fights without using his ultimate moves most of the time. Against Pica he didn't use Asura, he used his second or third strongest move at the time instead and shredded through him easily. Against Killer, he only needs Purgatory Onigiri, not Asura. Against Apoo.. And Lucci.. You get the point.
 
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Vanlax

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ImmaIvanoM said:
Names are metaphorical… Read above
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He definitely knows he has this move called Ashura Nine Sword Style whatever the name is, in which he's going to deplete his haki reserves with the move. Or else he's not gonna call it that way.

But him not knowing or knowing he is growing limbs with Ashura, we can only speculate.

In terms of haki usage, as I've already pointed out, I agree with you that he doesn't know the heck Ashura is and even KOH.
He know he is using COA for sure.
But he doesn't know he is also using COC in the process, nor how he is forming the additional limbs, whatever they are.
It's intuitive to him.

I don't know what would change has Zoro learns about COC usage.
Maybe he'd be able to casually use AdvCOC attacks once he learns.
Like Shishi Sonson w/ AdvCOC using Wado only.
Or Casual No Name AdvCOC attacks.

I also don't know what you mean by he can cut people with his soul.
A cut similar to how he cut Monet?
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
I think Zoro doesn't use it as much because he doesn't need it as much
Like against Vergo, Doffy, Judge, Queen etc., Sanji needed Diable Jambe. But Zoro wouldn't need Asura for those guys (well Dressrosa Zoro would need Asura for Doffy but ykwim).
Ofa consistently makes it so he can win fights without using his ultimate moves most of the time. Against Pica he didn't use Asura, he used his second or third strongest move at the time instead and shredded through him easily. Against Killer, he only needs Purgatory Onigiri, not Asura. Against Apoo.. And Lucci.. You get the point.
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He made Asura a bit too overpowered. Hence you have takes with no basis like Asura Zoro > G5 Luffy by Zorotards but it’s hard to even fault them when it’s been so impressive every time
 
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