Break Week Zoro fans are onto something. There is a lot of anti-Zoro bias out there

[Adamxero]

Never said you need ACoC to injure Kaido. Just like Luffy was hitting him with ACoA and Scabbards + Zoro with Ryou their attacks were too shallow.

Fact is that Oden who managed to scar Kaido was using ACoC. Scabbards couldn't scar Kaido. Zoro could. So Zoro is most likely using ACoC. Or maybe ACoA that Scabbards couldn't but we also not sure about Oden using it.

Never said Zoro was using ACoC pre-timeskip. We have basically 3 options, either Ashura is CoC(not advanced) and Zoro used ACoC with it or Zoro just unlocked his CoC now and we still have no clue of what Ashura is then he may or not used ACoC with Ashura.

Enma isn't pulling a shit from Zoro. Zoro is releasing all he got. He was drawing back because of Enma. He never needed that stupid sword. WTF you said about Zoro using Asura without Enma makes no sense? He did it at pre-timeskip twice.

They did cut him though and obviously Zoro has far more AP than I'd argue the Scabbards altogether.

Never said Zoro needed Enma for Asura Read. Clearly he used Asura without Enma pre-timeskip which makes me think it's something other than AdvCoC as it's clearly been shown once Zoro gives Enma what it wants it's unlocked his own latent CoC.

I said without Enma he doesn't use AdvCoC until he controls his haki output.

Enma is pulling haki from Zoro without Enma Zoro would be not releasing as much haki as he is and wouldn't be using CoC. He even says it when he says does he hold back and try reserve his haki or does he allow Enma to just take what he's got and risk his life. He picked the latter and his haki bloomed which set his AdvCoC off. How Zoro fans still argue this is beyond reason it's not a bad thing it just makes Zoro's already ridiculous AP more potent.

Once Zoro gets used to the output of Enma that will become his normal it's essentially a training tool for haki training.

Asura makes more sense being something different than CoC altogether. As it doesn't fit into any form of CoC we've seen so far so unless Pre-timeskip Zoro is that far ahead of everyone else with CoC it makes zeroooooo sense.

 

[Herrera95]

They did cut him though and obviously Zoro has far more AP than I'd argue the Scabbards altogether.

Never said Zoro needed Enma for Asura Read. Clearly he used Asura without Enma pre-timeskip which makes me think it's something other than AdvCoC as it's clearly been shown once Zoro gives Enma what it wants it's unlocked his own latent CoC.

I said without Enma he doesn't use AdvCoC until he controls his haki output.

Enma is pulling haki from Zoro without Enma Zoro would be not releasing as much haki as he is and wouldn't be using CoC. He even says it when he says does he hold back and try reserve his haki or does he allow Enma to just take what he's got and risk his life. He picked the latter and his haki bloomed which set his AdvCoC off. How Zoro fans still argue this is beyond reason it's not a bad thing it just makes Zoro's already ridiculous AP more potent.

Once Zoro gets used to the output of Enma that will become his normal it's essentially a training tool for haki training.

Asura makes more sense being something different than CoC altogether. As it doesn't fit into any form of CoC we've seen so far so unless Pre-timeskip Zoro is that far ahead of everyone else with CoC it makes zeroooooo sense.

You said a lot of thing and now are taking it back. Don't want to move foward on this.

Enma didn't unlocked nothing. Extreme situations unlock haki not stupid swords.

Zoro never had problem with haki output. Do you realize he was using Enma all this time without controlling ACoC? Only now he is controlling ACoC because Enma was nerfing him before.

Zoro already gave signs of CoC without Enma against Monet just like Luffy did pre-timeskip.
Again, Zoro never had problem releasing all his haki. That was never hinted.
Zoro is feding Enma with his haki. Is not Enma that is sucking Zoro's haki out of him.

 

[Finalbeta]

The moment you are Zoro biased is the moment when you didn't properly embody one of the greatest principles of this manga so you are not looking at it properly

 

[Adamxero]

You said a lot of thing and now are taking it back. Don't want to move foward on this.

Enma didn't unlocked nothing. Extreme situations unlock haki not stupid swords.

Zoro never had problem with haki output. Do you realize he was using Enma all this time without controlling ACoC? Only now he is controlling ACoC because Enma was nerfing him before.

Zoro already gave signs of CoC without Enma against Monet just like Luffy did pre-timeskip.
Again, Zoro never had problem releasing all his haki. That was never hinted.
Zoro is feding Enma with his haki. Is not Enma that is sucking Zoro's haki out of him.

I've taken what back exactly? I'm consistent with this in thinking Asura isn't CoC but with the output of Enma Zoro is able to unleash his latent CoC.

Enma did unlock CoC and AdvCoC for Zoro as otherwise Zoro wouldn't have drawn out his own haki as much without it the manga clearly shows this. When Zoro fed Enma more and more of his haki which without Enma he wouldn't have done CoC was released. Enma was sucking Zoro's haki until Zoro was forced to feed it the haki it wanted again implying without Enma Zoro wouldn't have exerted that much haki.

Zoro fans seem to be stuck on this idea Enma isn't helping Zoro for some reason it's pathetic. It's not a bad thing the sword is taking Zoro himself to a new level same way a Gear will take Luffy to a new level.

Headcanon there's no proof that with Monet that was CoC it was bloodlust.

 

[Monster Luffy]

Meh.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Zoro’s feat is a feat.

Remember back when you claimed Zoro will fight a Flying six?

 

[mly90]

Enma did unlock CoC and AdvCoC for Zoro as otherwise Zoro wouldn't have drawn out his own haki as much without it

Enma doesn't draw out CoC in the last panel of chapter 1033 Zoro say "if i have to exude" implying apart from few instances when Enma goes out of control he is in control the amount of haki he draws out.

 

[Ballel]

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[Finalbeta]

Remember back when you claimed Zoro will fight a Flying six?

Oh my Gosh, I didn't know he was that biased. Can you find the post?

 

[Adamxero]

Enma doesn't draw out CoC in the last panel of chapter 1033 Zoro say "if i have to exude" implying apart from few instances when Enma goes out of control he is in control the amount of haki he draws out.

And if he doesn't give it the haki it wants? It makes his arm a noodle right.

Zoro exuding his haki = Enma drawing it out.

Zoro has no choice but to excude the haki he is doing otherwise it'll suck more out of him anyway as we've seen.

None of Zoro's other swords have shown to have an ability like this so why is it now he's having to draw out more of his haki...the answer is Enma.

Ask yourself if Zoro didn't have Enma would he be exuding the level of haki he is doing now? The answer is a simple one. It was only when he gave Enma the haki it wanted did we see the knock out fodder CoC and then AdvCoC.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Most of the Zoro fandom claimed that Zoro used Haoshoku coating on the Rooftop, so this is simply factually incorrect.

No, most of the Zoro fandom were arguing that Asura was some super special form of CoC completely different than that inferior coating, that only Zoro possesses, and now your arguing "Wait, it was just basic CoC all along".

 

[mly90]

And if he doesn't give it the haki it wants? It makes his arm a noodle right.

Not anymore Zoro mentions that it was testing him which was the reason it kept draining him because it felt he didn't measure up but now that he did in ch 1033 there is no way it will keep that shit up Zoro already passed the test.

Zoro exuding his haki = Enma drawing it out.

No it's not Zoro is willingly drawing out that much haki on his own not Enma which is what the panel proves

Zoro has no choice but to excude the haki he is doing otherwise it'll suck more out of him anyway as we've seen.

To pass enma test which he did but he is the one exuding you know he is already facing an incredibly durable monster so he would still need to keep that up regardless of what Enma wanted

None of Zoro's other swords have shown to have an ability like this so why is it now he's having to draw out more of his haki...the answer is Enma.

Every sword have their own quirks Enma is no so different from the others in that case, he is having to draw out that much haki because the opponents he is facing are on another. Kaido is the most durable creature while King is displaying durability that surpasses even his captain so far.

Ask yourself if Zoro didn't have Enma would he be exuding the level of haki he is doing now? The answer is a simple one. It was only when he gave Enma the haki it wanted did we see the knock out fodder CoC and then AdvCoC.

Yes he would be able to exude same levels of haki even with Shusui because he would be faced with the same wall regardless to overcome his limits, if you didn't already notice Zoro is using equal amounts of haki on all 3 of his swords you could replace Enma with Shusui and result be exactly the same.

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro arguably never mastered Enma, that would totally explain why he felt he had to use more of its power despite the huge training he had undergone, unless he felt the sword was stronger than the other O Wazamono but realistically the difference doesn't look massive at all on paper when we consider superior grades and black blades are not supposed to make a hell of a difference from what we grasped thus far.

If I had to bet he was simply finding a way to master it and this is coming slowly. Then he will be even stronger.

The sword is quite peculiar and it's possible that it wasn't allowing Zoro to use its full potential, unless its AP is greater than the other swords but even then I would not bet on a massive difference.

 

[Rivaille]

No, most of the Zoro fandom were arguing that Asura was some super special form of CoC completely different than that inferior coating, that only Zoro possesses, and now your arguing "Wait, it was just basic CoC all along".

No, most of the Zoro fandom was arguing that it was advanced CoC and that Asura IS CoC.

Now, some of us are thinking that maybe people like you were not wrong and that Asura is not CoC and that Zoro did not used adv CoC tons at Kaido. Will you blame them to agreeing with you?

 

[Finalbeta]

When it comes to Anti Zoro Bias you can spot it anywhere you look, when it comes to the opposite that's at least much rarer

 

[Herrera95]

I've taken what back exactly? I'm consistent with this in thinking Asura isn't CoC but with the output of Enma Zoro is able to unleash his latent CoC.

Enma did unlock CoC and AdvCoC for Zoro as otherwise Zoro wouldn't have drawn out his own haki as much without it the manga clearly shows this. When Zoro fed Enma more and more of his haki which without Enma he wouldn't have done CoC was released. Enma was sucking Zoro's haki until Zoro was forced to feed it the haki it wanted again implying without Enma Zoro wouldn't have exerted that much haki.

Zoro fans seem to be stuck on this idea Enma isn't helping Zoro for some reason it's pathetic. It's not a bad thing the sword is taking Zoro himself to a new level same way a Gear will take Luffy to a new level.

Headcanon there's no proof that with Monet that was CoC it was bloodlust.

Manga clearly says Zoro was holding back. Manga never said this before Enma. Zoro never had problem with haki output before Enma.

Enma isn't helping a shit. Zoro used ACoC against Kaido on 1010.

 

[Adamxero]

Not anymore Zoro mentions that it was testing him which was the reason it kept draining him because it felt he didn't measure up but now that he did in ch 1033 there is no way it will keep that shit up Zoro already passed the test.

No it's not Zoro is willingly drawing out that much haki on his own not Enma which is what the panel proves

To pass enma test which he did but he is the one exuding you know he is already facing an incredibly durable monster so he would still need to keep that up regardless of what Enma wanted

Every sword have their own quirks Enma is no so different from the others in that case, he is having to draw out that much haki because the opponents he is facing are on another. Kaido is the most durable creature while King is displaying durability that surpasses even his captain so far.

Yes he would be able to exude same levels of haki even with Shusui because he would be faced with the same wall regardless to overcome his limits, if you didn't already notice Zoro is using equal amounts of haki on all 3 of his swords you could replace Enma with Shusui and result be exactly the same.

It's hopeless with Zoro fans you guys refuse to see Enma as a power up.

It seems obvious to the non agenda fan that Enma is clearly what has allowed Zoro to step up his game in haki.

Without Enma Zoro doesn't unlock AdvCoC or CoC if so why haven't we seen hints of it until he gets Enma.

Enma is a tool which forces the user to draw out more haki otherwise it'll never accept the user. Zoro was forced to give it his own haki more than he would normally have given out risking his life doing so however this made Enma accept Zoro.

He is able to coat all three swords yes now because he's unlocked AdvCoC due to Enma forcing Zoro to unleash his haki making it bloom in the process that's never been the argument the argument is without Enma he's not unlocking AdvCoC or CoC.

And giving back to the main argument meaning Asura can't be CoC as Zoro never previously unlocked CoC until he got Enma.

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Manga clearly says Zoro was holding back. Manga never said this before Enma. Zoro never had problem with haki output before Enma.

Enma isn't helping a shit. Zoro used ACoC against Kaido on 1010.

Yeah he was holding back his haki. If he exerted too much it could kill him which is why he was forced to feed Enma the haki it wanted and in the process he released CoC.

Headcanon where does it show AdvCoC in 1010 other than Luffy using it? Kaido says Zoro is a conqueror but this doesn't imply Zoro used AdvCoC as Kaido also said Kid was one as well and as far as we know Kid doesn't have AdvCoC so it means there's another trait to conquerors Kaido can see.

 

[Finalbeta]

I recall when some would claim that Enma was the source of all of Zoro's power then we found out the obvious which is that Enma was simply a living sword manifestating emotions and memories like perhaps any other living object can afford. Of course people will keep claiming that Zoro's haki comes from Enma despite Oden's arm was normal when he died and no haki was stored in Enma and also Enma itself does not wield a personal Enma haki.