Character Discussion Zoro has four legends/parallel to surpass, when will he surpassed each?

Boiroy

Boiroy

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#21
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Salah WG said:
No need to count everyone Stronger than Chapter 2 Zoro as his Parallels that He must Surpass,
It's obvious that eventually He needs to Surpass them all,
His True Rivals are based on what He represents,

Chapter 1 started with Luffy declaring that He wants his Crew to Surpass Red-Hair Pirates & become Top 1 Crew (Quality Wise),
That automatically means that as a Captain, Shanks is Luffy's True Rival, while Beckman gonna be Rival of Luffy's Top Subordinate/First Mate,
Secondly, anyone can notice that Oda didn't make Beckman a Swordsman, nor did He make Shanks a Martial Artist,
Which brings us to Luffy & Zoro's Next Rivals, those who are based on their Fighting Styles, a Question that even Luffy & Zoro asked in Whisky Peak, as They wondered which is Superior? Swordsmanship (Armed Combat) or Martial Arts (Non-Armed Combat)?

Thankfully, Oda Introduced who They need to Surpass in East Blue, They are Mihawk & Dragon,
Neither of them are Pirate Captains, nor do They take Orders from a Pirate, meaning They are not included in Shanks & Beckman Supremacy,
Instead, their Purpose is to Rival Luffy/Zoro in Fighting Style, rather than Rank,
Finally, beside their Ranks & Preferred Fighting-Styles, Luffy & Zoro also view "Power" differently,
Luffy hypes his own Attacks by copying Firearms & different other Weapons/Tools,
While Zoro instead copies Beasts & different Animals/Mythical Beings,

It's basically a question of Science vs Nature,
It also relates to previous debate of Martial Artists vs Swordsmanship, as Luffy is like trying to make his Unarmed Fighting Style surpass any Weapon (His EOS Punch should be Superior than any Firearm ever Created), while Zoro is trying to make his Armed Fighting Style surpass any Creature/Natural Power;

So Overall, Luffy is on a Journey to Surpass Every Captain/Leader + Surpass Every Non-Armed Fighter + Surpass Every Weapon/Invention,
While Zoro is on a Journey to Surpass Every Subordinate/Soldier + Surpass Every Armed Fighter + Surpass Every Creature,

Shanks & Beckman are their First Milestone,
Dragon & Mihawk are their Second Milestone,
Two Final Villains are their Third Milestone, (Someone who has Access to All Weapons + Someone who has Access to All Creatures),

The Interesting part is that Beckman having a Rifle automatically makes him Part of Luffy's Journey,
While Shanks being a Swordsman also makes him Part of Zoro's Journey,

Same goes for Dragon & Mihawk, as Whisky Peak demonstrated that for Luffy & Zoro to still argue about which one is Superior between Swordsmanship & Martial Arts, They must be Second to None from Opposite Sides except each other, in other words, Luffy must Surpass Mihawk to continue that Debate with Zoro, while Zoro must Surpass Dragon to continue that Debate,

And finally, it seems that the Guy with Access to All Weapons is OPVerse Devil as indicated by Imu, and that means He is included in Supremacy of Demon King Asura, while Second Guy is probably OPVerse God, which also includes him in Sun God Supremacy, as it doesn't make sense for Story to End without Luffy being above anyone called "God" in OP World, and Zoro above anyone called "Devil/Demon" in OP World,

In Conclusion, the Six that Rival Zoro in becoming Greatest Warrior alongside Luffy are:

1. OPVerse Devil (Ultimate Science) + OPVerse God (Ultimate Creature, similar to Kars from JoJo)
2. Dragon (Best Martial Artist) + Mihawk (Best Swordsman)
3. Shanks (Best Captain) + Beckman (Best Vice Captain)

The Rest are either Old Relics or Silver Medalists.
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Great analysis mate
 
MonsterKaido

MonsterKaido

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#23
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Zoro's parallel is ray from roger pirates and ryuma. He most likely also has a parallel with a character from Joyboy's crew.

Anyways potentially he should/can be above roger.

The question is who he will fight at eos. I have venus below mihawk/Shanks. Zoro will surpass shanks/mihawk at least.
 
shastar-sei

shastar-sei

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#24
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Salah WG said:
Finally, beside their Ranks & Preferred Fighting-Styles, Luffy & Zoro also view "Power" differently,
Luffy hypes his own Attacks by copying Firearms & different other Weapons/Tools,
While Zoro instead copies Beasts & different Animals/Mythical Beings,

It's basically a question of Science vs Nature,
It also relates to previous debate of Martial Artists vs Swordsmanship, as Luffy is like trying to make his Unarmed Fighting Style surpass any Weapon (His EOS Punch should be Superior than any Firearm ever Created), while Zoro is trying to make his Armed Fighting Style surpass any Creature/Natural Power;

So Overall, Luffy is on a Journey to Surpass Every Captain/Leader + Surpass Every Non-Armed Fighter + Surpass Every Weapon/Invention,
While Zoro is on a Journey to Surpass Every Subordinate/Soldier + Surpass Every Armed Fighter + Surpass Every Creature,

Two Final Villains are their Third Milestone, (Someone who has Access to All Weapons + Someone who has Access to All Creatures),

The Interesting part is that Beckman having a Rifle automatically makes him Part of Luffy's Journey,
While Shanks being a Swordsman also makes him Part of Zoro's Journey,

And finally, it seems that the Guy with Access to All Weapons is OPVerse Devil as indicated by Imu, and that means He is included in Supremacy of Demon King Asura, while Second Guy is probably OPVerse God, which also includes him in Sun God Supremacy, as it doesn't make sense for Story to End without Luffy being above anyone called "God" in OP World, and Zoro above anyone called "Devil/Demon" in OP World,

In Conclusion, the Six that Rival Zoro in becoming Greatest Warrior alongside Luffy are:

1. OPVerse Devil (Ultimate Science) + OPVerse God (Ultimate Creature, similar to Kars from JoJo)
2. Dragon (Best Martial Artist) + Mihawk (Best Swordsman)
3. Shanks (Best Captain) + Beckman (Best Vice Captain)
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How do the Seraphim fit into all of this? Vegapunk himself said the Seraphim are the highest echelon of science conceived in all the history of the sea, and they are the strongest form of humanity. They are living weapons (Pacifista) that are chimeras of Lunarians and base Warlord DNA and can fire off lasers.

S-Hawk is science's creation and a weapon, but also an armed fighter (swordsman).
 
Salah WG

Salah WG

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shastar-sei said:
How do the Seraphim fit into all of this? Vegapunk himself said the Seraphim are the highest echelon of science conceived in all the history of the sea, and they are the strongest form of humanity. They are living weapons (Pacifista) that are chimeras of Lunarians and base Warlord DNA and can fire off lasers.

S-Hawk is science's creation and a weapon, but also an armed fighter (swordsman).
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They are within Science Path which is Luffy's,
WG are Structured similar to Beasts Pirates,

Pacifista are New Smile Army,
Pacifista Mark III are New Headlienrs,
Seraphim are New Tobbi Roppo,
Bonney was New O-Tama,
York was New Caesar,
... etc

So Leader of WG is the one who's actually Peak Science, and that's Imu,
And as We've seen, He does indeed Fight with all Sorts of Weapons & his Magic is probably Super Science in Disguise,

OPVerse God instead would be like Kars, which is Peak Nature,
And his Smile Army are instead Sea Kings, and Poseidon is his O-Tama ... etc
 
R

Robin swan

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#27
Imo it's only 3 parallels for zoro.
1. The current gen with mihawk. Reaching his level puts him with the current top t.

2. The old gen with Rayleigh. Reaching his level puts him with the old gen top tier.

3. The ancient gen in Ryuma. Reaching his level puts him in the all time strongest.

To me I think they represent the level of strength from each generation that zoro will surpass. Luffy has the same with shanks, Roger, Nika, and joyboy.
 
Rej

Rej

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#34
#34
Boiroy said:
What's coping about this dumbo?
When did I mentioned that Zoro will surpass Imu
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This wasn't just against you, but half of the thread.
People that say "Ryuma > Joyboy" for example, just to drive their Zoro agenda forward. Or people that bring up Mihawk and Shanks up in conjucture.

The thread idea itself is cool, but why does it just have to be Zoro? Why not the whole Monster Trio...
 
Boiroy

Boiroy

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Rej said:
This wasn't just against you, but half of the thread.
People that say "Ryuma > Joyboy" for example, just to drive their Zoro agenda forward. Or people that bring up Mihawk and Shanks up in conjucture.

The thread idea itself is cool, but why does it just have to be Zoro? Why not the whole Monster Trio...
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Ryuma and joyboy are like brothers of destruction
Both in the same level 😨😨😨
 
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