General & Others "Zoro hasn't fought Pure swordsman "

[warsame zaylai]

I don’t understand the people who say Zoro hasn’t fought proper swordsmen. If that’s the standard, they might as well switch to reading Vagabond even though the main character there also mixes martial arts with his swordplay.
One of the things I really like about One Piece is how every swordsman has a unique style. It keeps things fresh and interesting. I’d actually love to see Zoro mix in some martial arts moves with his swordplay in the future.
Every sword user in the series fights in their own way, and thats what makes it so enjoyable. I hope we eventually get to see guys like Roger, Rayleigh, and Shanks use their legs or other martial moves in battle too and not just sword swings. It would make their fighting styles feel even more cool.

The idea that a "real" swordsman should only use a sword and nothing else is wrong. Many famous swordsmen in Japan also used their hands and legs during swords fights. In a real battle, you have to use everything you can to win. I hope Oda shows more of this in One Piece that being a swordsman can mean different things. Every swordsman should have their own idea of what it means to be a swordsman. That would make the story more interesting.

 

[Welkin]

It's just people being silly

One Piece is a goofy and wacky series and literally always has been

The concept of a "real" swordsman should be absolutely foreign to One Piece since nearly every fighter has their own unique and weird way of fighting

Cabaji rides a fucking unicycle while wielding a sword

Like you said that's what makes it interesting

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The self proclaimed strongest swordsman of cp9 was also doing heavy whip attacks with his neck lol
People think too deeply about this stuff

 

[Blazing Lion]

This is pure agenda brainrot and nothing else, and we are at fault for letting this cancer grow by arguing with stupid fucks instead of just ignoring them. As a fandom this is the most embarrassing part that you have people actually (I thought it was only trolling but recent chapters creating meltdowns) arguing about who is a swordsman and what is swordsmanship. So much thought and philosophy probably has not been applied to mangas dedicated to samurais/swordsmen.

And the main reason, the root cause for this brainrot are Shanks fans who tried to squeak their way out of having to accept that Shanks is weaker than Mihawk because Mihawk is WSS. Right from the start we get that any sword wielder is a swordsman even if they are a circus clown with retard tricks. But no, some fans overdose on copium and came up with this shit. And then this spread to other characters too and their fans. People have argued for Shanks, Roger, Rocks, Law, Fuji, BM etc. not fall under the swordsman category otherwise they have to accept Mihawk being stronger and Zoro being stronger too after defeating Mihawk.

Jokes on them though because even if you try to save your fav by classifying them as someone other than swordsman Mihawk will still be stronger. Dumbfucks having caught up to the fact that Oda has portrayed all top tiers as swordsmen or their equivalent. Even JB/Nika has a sword in certain depictions. And people who try to push King not being a swordsman and then trying to use this to also save their fav dont realize that this actually pushes Mihawk and Zoro being stronger even more since they are not limited to defeating swordsmen only but are/seek to be the strongest regardless. Roger the PK is swordsman, his greatest rival Rocks is a swordsman, his successor Shanks is a swordsman, his partner Ray is a swordsman. The Gorosei have two swordsmen Venus and Garling, the Admirals have at least one swordsman Fuji. And above all these is Mihawk.

Lastly people forget that OP is a Japanese manga being written by a Japanese author mainly for the Japanese audience (the huge burst in global popularity is recent and something which OP lacked compared to Naruto afaik). So for the author and the primary audience the swordsman/samurai is the strongest type of character.

 

[BattalGazi]

A circus freak like Zoro who uses 3 swords doesn't deserve a traditional swordsman as an opponent.

 

[Buusatan94]

I mean if you want a pure swordsman, One Piece isn't the manga for you.

Though for many it's mostly an excuse to pretend that Zoro's promise of never losing before fighting Mihawk again is still standing, which is pure bs

 

[Unlimited Rulebook]

What about this guy?

 

[Peepooman]

I don’t understand the people who say Zoro hasn’t fought proper swordsmen. If that’s the standard, they might as well switch to reading Vagabond even though the main character there also mixes martial arts with his swordplay.
One of the things I really like about One Piece is how every swordsman has a unique style. It keeps things fresh and interesting. I’d actually love to see Zoro mix in some martial arts moves with his swordplay in the future.
Every sword user in the series fights in their own way, and thats what makes it so enjoyable. I hope we eventually get to see guys like Roger, Rayleigh, and Shanks use their legs or other martial moves in battle too and not just sword swings. It would make their fighting styles feel even more cool.

The idea that a "real" swordsman should only use a sword and nothing else is wrong. Many famous swordsmen in Japan also used their hands and legs during swords fights. In a real battle, you have to use everything you can to win. I hope Oda shows more of this in One Piece that being a swordsman can mean different things. Every swordsman should have their own idea of what it means to be a swordsman. That would make the story more interesting.

Zoro is a serious person, he should not be fighting gag characters that turn into giraffes or ride unicycles. His fight with Mihawk was very good and that was against a pure swordsman, same with Ryuma

 

[kekaro]

"people say"
Your idolo throws a hissy fit since chapter 5 every time someone is not a carbon copy of his skilset, from cabaji to king

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I hope Oda shows more of this in One Piece that being a swordsman can mean different things. Every swordsman should have their own idea of what it means to be a swordsman. That would make the story more interesting.

I think this could be an issue. I was hoping for Mihawk style to be something like that. Although it doesn't fits much his French style in my opinion. But Oda kind of set things that way already with King fight. That was cringe. Zoro saying he would bite him if needed was cool. But implying King is not a swordsman himself was really bad.

Few Zoro's opponents wasn't swordsmen or was too much forced to be swordsmen. Like Daz Bones and Pica. I don't consider Daz Bones a swordsman. And I think Pica was forced to be one.

 

[kumae]

Pure swordsman shit is just a nickname made up by the comunity like 90% of the stuff but it just like 90% of the stuff agenda and coping

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

Zoro did fight pure swordsmen (Hatchan, T Bone, Zombie Ryuma, Hyouzou, et al.), but it's indeed a problem with the WSS plotline. Mihawk's title seems to be a huge thing since Zoro was introduced, but no other character besides him seems to have this goal. The only other character that shows a desire to fight Mihawk is Vista, but that's it.

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We have seen all Yonko crews and none seems to have someone interested on it. King even mocked Zoro after he pointed out that he wasn't a true swordsman. Shiryu is a swordsman, but ends up eating the Suke Suke no Mi, which is clearly a complement for his dirty tactics. In the Marines, we have Issho and Aramaki, but neither could care less.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

I don’t understand the people who say Zoro hasn’t fought proper swordsmen. If that’s the standard, they might as well switch to reading Vagabond even though the main character there also mixes martial arts with his swordplay.
One of the things I really like about One Piece is how every swordsman has a unique style. It keeps things fresh and interesting. I’d actually love to see Zoro mix in some martial arts moves with his swordplay in the future.
Every sword user in the series fights in their own way, and thats what makes it so enjoyable. I hope we eventually get to see guys like Roger, Rayleigh, and Shanks use their legs or other martial moves in battle too and not just sword swings. It would make their fighting styles feel even more cool.

The idea that a "real" swordsman should only use a sword and nothing else is wrong. Many famous swordsmen in Japan also used their hands and legs during swords fights. In a real battle, you have to use everything you can to win. I hope Oda shows more of this in One Piece that being a swordsman can mean different things. Every swordsman should have their own idea of what it means to be a swordsman. That would make the story more interesting.

Ohm was a proper swordsman.

 

[matt245]

I honestly don't understand the point of Zoro having to fight pure swordsmen. He has to fight enemies that make him stronger and a better fighter, period. His goal is to defeat Mihawk, the strongest swordsman currently, not defeat random 'pure' swordsmen just because. This ain't some sort of tournament or Pokemon league