General & Others Zoro or Sanji? Who is a better leader
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can't argue with you there
it is not about he felt right or not . He belongs to crew which went aganist Wg for their friends, put theirself in danger for irrevelant characters to crew many times such as Cammy , and you know how it ended.And much more examples about how they are reckless and care for friends.. It is not about he made desicion on go to Wci or not . He should already know that his crew will come for him and should prepair for it beforehand but he acted like adolescent .. was it Oda's mistake or was it how he wanted to write , cant be sure about it
Alright I recommend a reread then as One Piece pre TS is actually a good manga.
I am sure you'll enjoy it.
Post TS is trash but I am sure you can endure it.
Pay special attention to following arcs as these are the ones where Zoro will display one or more leadership traits
-Romance Down
-Baratie
-Little Garden
-Whiskey Peak
-Alabasta
-Long Ring Long Schlong (that Sanji likes)
-Jaya
-Skypea
-Water 7
-Enies Lobby
-Thriller Bark
-Fishman Island
-Punk Hazard
-Dressrosa
-Zou
-Wano
These are the only arcs where Zoro shows obvious leadership traits though.
I am sure you'll enjoy it.
Post TS is trash but I am sure you can endure it.
Pay special attention to following arcs as these are the ones where Zoro will display one or more leadership traits
-Romance Down
-Baratie
-Little Garden
-Whiskey Peak
-Alabasta
-Long Ring Long Schlong (that Sanji likes)
-Jaya
-Skypea
-Water 7
-Enies Lobby
-Thriller Bark
-Fishman Island
-Punk Hazard
-Dressrosa
-Zou
-Wano
These are the only arcs where Zoro shows obvious leadership traits though.
Hmmm....Should I choose the smart strategist who help and save the crew more times than not with his thinking and taking lead at times (Sanji) or the guy who running gag is known for getting lost in every arc with his sense of direction and not very smart in admitting his own faults along dealing with tricky foes (Zoro)?
Tough choice.....You know, I am gamble man, so I pick the guy with a good brain on his shoulders who at least know where to lead without needing help like a child, so Sanji it is
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Tough choice.....You know, I am gamble man, so I pick the guy with a good brain on his shoulders who at least know where to lead without needing help like a child, so Sanji it is
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Lmao. Alright, can you go through each arc and describe to me exactly how Zoro displays leadership traits? Please go slowly, you know I'm not a quick learner 
For now try reread my thread to get yourself ready for tomorrow's lesson
There are different aspects to leadership and leadership can be defined in many ways but here are what I consider good qualities of leadership
-Utilitarian nature and working towards the greater good of your followers as a whole than for your own personal good
-Ability to inspire others
-Ability to be level headed in the times of crisis
-Being physically capable of protecting your followers (This applies in One Piece and many other fiction. In real world physical strength isn't that important due to all the technology and weapons).
-Having confidence to speak up even if what you are saying is controversial
-Being a good communicator
And I personally think Zoro is better than Sanji in all these aspects.
Utilitarianism
I think Zoro is better than Sanji at all these aspects as he has proven himself to be as utilitarian as possible giving away his dreams for protection of his captain and his crew in Thriller Bark despite having a great ambition himself and even a promise to himself. That is one of the biggest acts of selflessness we have seen in One Piece and it showed great deal of utilitarian mindset which in my opinion is optimal when it comes to leadership. Sure Sanji was willing to die himself but did he really have as much to loose as Zoro?
I don't think so as Sanji's desire towards pursuing his ambition has been very shallow to the point where he so casually revealed his real ambition is to stalk naked girls and then said his real ambition is see mermaid princess and doesn't care if he dies after that. So yes while Sanji did indeed show selfless spirit as life is very important and it takes great deal of selflessness to give it away, it doesn't compare to Zoro not only throwing away his life but his ambition he worked for throughout his life, his promise to his dead friend and everything he worked for. Not to mention there are clear moments where Sanji let his personal desires take over his ability to think of a greater good such as not hitting Khalifa in Enies Lobby despite Nico Robins life being on the line. Or more recently him deciding to go to Whole Cake Island because he wanted to clear the air with Vinsmoke Judge instead of thinking about the bigger picture and putting his crew before his own personal desires and realizing the gravity of invading an Emperor (Kaido's) territory.
Ability to inspire others
Zoro has again and again shown ability to inspire others same way as Luffy has due to his willpower and his dedication towards his ambition. Since we are comparing Sanji's leadership to Zoro, it must be noted one of the biggest reasons why Sanji even joined was because he was impressed by Zoro's overwhelming desire to pursue his ambition and even throwing away his life for it. On top of it, Luffy's ambition and his dedication to get Sanji also helped.
On top of it Zoro made entire country of Dressrosa follow his lead stopping the birdcage, that included grand fleet, a marine admiral and 2 samurais from Wano. That panel of everyone working together in Zoro's lead was very similar to Whitebeard's commanders following Luffy's lead in Marine Ford. Sure they were working towards a goal that benefits them as well but so were Whitebeard pirates as they all wanted to save Ace. But it doesn't change the fact that both Luffy and Zoro were as the forefront. Sanji himself has ability to inspire others but not nearly on the level of Luffy and Zoro.
Ability to be level headed in Crisis
While both Zoro and Sanji are very level headed, Zoro has been more highlighted as level headed due to moments like these. Where as everyone else is either fighting or going crazy due to heat, Zoro showed level headedness and gave everyone assurance like a leader should. What was Sanji doing in all this?
Also in Water 7 Zoro was highlighted as the voice of reason sitting Nami and Luffy (quartermaster and captain) down and make them realize the situation and think of the consequences instead of jumping head first in lion's den.
-Being physically capable of protecting your followers (This applies in One Piece and many other fiction. In real world physical strength isn't that important due to all the technology and weapons).
Not much to be said here. Zoro beats the shit outta Sanji 10/10 times. Raid Suit raised the difficulty from mid diff to high diff. And then Zoro got massive boost that made Sanji shit his own pants.
-Having confidence to speak up even if what you are saying is controversial
There is where Zoro beats Sanji every single time. While Sanji may have social intelligence of Zoro to be aware of what is the right thing to do (sometime Sanji doesn't even have that), he really doesn't speak up like a leader should.
In Water 7 although Sanji agreed with Zoro regarding not letting Usopp in without apology, he wasn't the first to speak up, it was Zoro and Sanji only agreed with Zoro.
It was Zoro who told Chopper to go inside if he can't see what is going on and not Sanji. Talking about Chopper, while Chopper was crying like a lil bitch, it was Zoro who made him realize what it is like to be a pirate in Foxy Arc and not Sanji.
Oda also had Zoro give Luffy that speech in Punk Hazard and not Sanji and Zoro give that speech on Kaido (Granted Sanji wasn't there but it is still one of those moments when Zoro's ability to look at things rationally and speak up despite what he says is controversial).
-Being a good communicator
Zoro wins this one by the land slide lmao. No one will question Zoro's ability to be a great and charismatic communicator. He has some of the best speeches in One Piece, making people change there minds through his words effectively. He changed Choppers mind in a minute when he made him realize what it is like to be a pirate in Foxy arc. He changed Kinnemon and Kanjuros mind when he was stopping the bird cage. Mihawk changing his mind was also due to Zoro's words regarding his ambition and his desire to pursue it. Zoro changed Luffy's and Nami's mind regarding Usopp in Water 7.
Every time Zoro is giving a serious speech, people listen and his speeches either move somebody deeply or they change someone's mind. That is a great sign of a leader.
A bonus to this all is Oda himself wanting Zoro to be seen as superior leader with people often confusing him as a captain or wondering why he isn't a captain while he has never done that for Sanji. Hell no one has even confused Sanji as Vice Captain of the crew let alone the captain.
I hope I changed a few minds as well lmao
@Admiral Lee Hung @TheAncientCenturion @Kiwipom @Den_Den_Mushi @Owl Ki @Beerbottle @HA001 @Erkan12 @Jo_Ndule @Light D Lamperouge @LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Chrono @True God Moe
-Utilitarian nature and working towards the greater good of your followers as a whole than for your own personal good
-Ability to inspire others
-Ability to be level headed in the times of crisis
-Being physically capable of protecting your followers (This applies in One Piece and many other fiction. In real world physical strength isn't that important due to all the technology and weapons).
-Having confidence to speak up even if what you are saying is controversial
-Being a good communicator
And I personally think Zoro is better than Sanji in all these aspects.
Utilitarianism
I think Zoro is better than Sanji at all these aspects as he has proven himself to be as utilitarian as possible giving away his dreams for protection of his captain and his crew in Thriller Bark despite having a great ambition himself and even a promise to himself. That is one of the biggest acts of selflessness we have seen in One Piece and it showed great deal of utilitarian mindset which in my opinion is optimal when it comes to leadership. Sure Sanji was willing to die himself but did he really have as much to loose as Zoro?
I don't think so as Sanji's desire towards pursuing his ambition has been very shallow to the point where he so casually revealed his real ambition is to stalk naked girls and then said his real ambition is see mermaid princess and doesn't care if he dies after that. So yes while Sanji did indeed show selfless spirit as life is very important and it takes great deal of selflessness to give it away, it doesn't compare to Zoro not only throwing away his life but his ambition he worked for throughout his life, his promise to his dead friend and everything he worked for. Not to mention there are clear moments where Sanji let his personal desires take over his ability to think of a greater good such as not hitting Khalifa in Enies Lobby despite Nico Robins life being on the line. Or more recently him deciding to go to Whole Cake Island because he wanted to clear the air with Vinsmoke Judge instead of thinking about the bigger picture and putting his crew before his own personal desires and realizing the gravity of invading an Emperor (Kaido's) territory.
Zoro has again and again shown ability to inspire others same way as Luffy has due to his willpower and his dedication towards his ambition. Since we are comparing Sanji's leadership to Zoro, it must be noted one of the biggest reasons why Sanji even joined was because he was impressed by Zoro's overwhelming desire to pursue his ambition and even throwing away his life for it. On top of it, Luffy's ambition and his dedication to get Sanji also helped.
On top of it Zoro made entire country of Dressrosa follow his lead stopping the birdcage, that included grand fleet, a marine admiral and 2 samurais from Wano. That panel of everyone working together in Zoro's lead was very similar to Whitebeard's commanders following Luffy's lead in Marine Ford. Sure they were working towards a goal that benefits them as well but so were Whitebeard pirates as they all wanted to save Ace. But it doesn't change the fact that both Luffy and Zoro were as the forefront. Sanji himself has ability to inspire others but not nearly on the level of Luffy and Zoro.
While both Zoro and Sanji are very level headed, Zoro has been more highlighted as level headed due to moments like these. Where as everyone else is either fighting or going crazy due to heat, Zoro showed level headedness and gave everyone assurance like a leader should. What was Sanji doing in all this?
-Being physically capable of protecting your followers (This applies in One Piece and many other fiction. In real world physical strength isn't that important due to all the technology and weapons).
Not much to be said here. Zoro beats the shit outta Sanji 10/10 times. Raid Suit raised the difficulty from mid diff to high diff. And then Zoro got massive boost that made Sanji shit his own pants.
-Having confidence to speak up even if what you are saying is controversial
There is where Zoro beats Sanji every single time. While Sanji may have social intelligence of Zoro to be aware of what is the right thing to do (sometime Sanji doesn't even have that), he really doesn't speak up like a leader should.
In Water 7 although Sanji agreed with Zoro regarding not letting Usopp in without apology, he wasn't the first to speak up, it was Zoro and Sanji only agreed with Zoro.
Oda also had Zoro give Luffy that speech in Punk Hazard and not Sanji and Zoro give that speech on Kaido (Granted Sanji wasn't there but it is still one of those moments when Zoro's ability to look at things rationally and speak up despite what he says is controversial).
Zoro wins this one by the land slide lmao. No one will question Zoro's ability to be a great and charismatic communicator. He has some of the best speeches in One Piece, making people change there minds through his words effectively. He changed Choppers mind in a minute when he made him realize what it is like to be a pirate in Foxy arc. He changed Kinnemon and Kanjuros mind when he was stopping the bird cage. Mihawk changing his mind was also due to Zoro's words regarding his ambition and his desire to pursue it. Zoro changed Luffy's and Nami's mind regarding Usopp in Water 7.
Every time Zoro is giving a serious speech, people listen and his speeches either move somebody deeply or they change someone's mind. That is a great sign of a leader.
A bonus to this all is Oda himself wanting Zoro to be seen as superior leader with people often confusing him as a captain or wondering why he isn't a captain while he has never done that for Sanji. Hell no one has even confused Sanji as Vice Captain of the crew let alone the captain.
I hope I changed a few minds as well lmao
@Admiral Lee Hung @TheAncientCenturion @Kiwipom @Den_Den_Mushi @Owl Ki @Beerbottle @HA001 @Erkan12 @Jo_Ndule @Light D Lamperouge @LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Chrono @True God Moe
Hmmm....Should I choose the smart strategist who help and save the crew more times than not with his thinking and taking lead at times (Sanji) or the guy who running gag is known for getting lost in every arc with his sense of direction and not very smart in admitting his own faults along dealing with tricky foes (Zoro)?
Tough choice.....You know, I am gamble man, so I pick the guy with a good brain on his shoulders who at least know where to lead without needing help like a child, so Sanji it is.
Tough choice.....You know, I am gamble man, so I pick the guy with a good brain on his shoulders who at least know where to lead without needing help like a child, so Sanji it is
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now big mom is in wano and he had a chance to kill her with poison in that shitty cake
the strategist who almost killed his crew an capitan hmm
Sanji saved his crew with from danger on his end and force into a situation out of his control with reasoning. Zoro had many opportunity to not do something stupid, but he did.
Wait where is this "Sanji is great strategist" nonsense coming from?
He is same dumbass **** who nearly cost Nico Robin his life because he couldn't put his cuckery aside for one fucking night and kick Khalifa back. Even Nami who Zoro has lectured multiple times had to come and lecture Sanji and then save his virgin beta cuck ass.
And isn't he is the same moron who thought kicking Luffy's ass will actually turn him away despite basically living with him for nearly 3 years?
Or same cuck who was willing to die, just so he can see some mermaid tits and jerk off to them later on?
Or same faggot who spends more time day dreaming about Okiku's long schlong then to come up with ways to make his role in the crew more effective against Kaido's alliance?
Or same selfish asshole who decided to put his personal dilemma and daddy issues over his crew and went head first to Big Meme's territory despite knowing that Kaido's war is on their heads?
Sanji is too impulsive, he doesn't have enough confidence, he is a follower and one who gets inspired instead of one who inspires like Luffy and Zoro, to be a good leader.
I mean there is a reason why not a single soul in One Piece who confused Sanji for a vice captain let alone captain unlike Zoro who has been mistaken for captain numerous times.
And lmao as "Master strategist" the fuck? Wasn't Sanji himself bamboozled from Zoro's "X" strategy that fucked with Bon Clay's brain? Or didn't Zoro quickly realize Kinnemon's master plan in latest chapters?
Bro Sanji is ass water as a leader.
He is same dumbass **** who nearly cost Nico Robin his life because he couldn't put his cuckery aside for one fucking night and kick Khalifa back. Even Nami who Zoro has lectured multiple times had to come and lecture Sanji and then save his virgin beta cuck ass.
And isn't he is the same moron who thought kicking Luffy's ass will actually turn him away despite basically living with him for nearly 3 years?
Or same cuck who was willing to die, just so he can see some mermaid tits and jerk off to them later on?
Or same faggot who spends more time day dreaming about Okiku's long schlong then to come up with ways to make his role in the crew more effective against Kaido's alliance?
Or same selfish asshole who decided to put his personal dilemma and daddy issues over his crew and went head first to Big Meme's territory despite knowing that Kaido's war is on their heads?
Sanji is too impulsive, he doesn't have enough confidence, he is a follower and one who gets inspired instead of one who inspires like Luffy and Zoro, to be a good leader.
I mean there is a reason why not a single soul in One Piece who confused Sanji for a vice captain let alone captain unlike Zoro who has been mistaken for captain numerous times.
And lmao as "Master strategist" the fuck? Wasn't Sanji himself bamboozled from Zoro's "X" strategy that fucked with Bon Clay's brain? Or didn't Zoro quickly realize Kinnemon's master plan in latest chapters?
Bro Sanji is ass water as a leader.
Funny Troll Man who thinks Zoro beaten Kyoshiro in low-diffed offscreen is back! How you been, man?! We needed our jester back for sure ;). Some of these guys try to pretend to be you, but your true original, my **** XD!
Nah, he saved everyone including Luffy overall in the arc, but didn't see Zoro doing much to save Yasu.
Force by his family. Was Zoro force to have Shusui out and getting caught along attacking an official to start everything in downward spiral? Nah, Zoro is plain stupid bro 
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Nah, he saved everyone including Luffy overall in the arc, but didn't see Zoro doing much to save Yasu.
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never? he let luffy half dead with nami waiting for the enraged army of big mom stop it moe kun
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