Chapter Discussion Zoro, The Grim Reaper, And Hawkins' Strength Tarot Card

Vajabaja

Vajabaja

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#21
#21
M944 said:
The tower card was about Hawkins that losing.
He even said this fight.

Let's Say it was about Law and Kid at least hawkins and Killer were related to those fights
Whereas Zoro and Luffy have nothing to do with it

I read, you probably have the idea of Zoro going to the Rooftop again. The issue is that you need to stretch to link those cards to this Idea
You also didn't take into account evidence which make this unlikely
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Uhhhh, no. As per the manga literally telling us, the tower signifies great change and the upheaval of the established order... Hawkins' getting L'd on by killer is not a representation of that at all, as a matter of fact, Hawkins getting L'd on is actually within the established order as Zoro, Law, and now Killer has proven such a thing through their actions. It was clearly referencing Kid and Law as the explanation of what the tower card signifies was overlaying Kid and Law getting their second wind within their fight with big mom. Needless to say but big mom is a yonko, one of the four emperors of the sea. Her being defeated quite certainly by two upstarts from the worst generation can be easily described as "A great change" or "An upheaval of the established order".

Once again however, you've made an error of misconstruing which card I was comparing Luffy and Zoro to whilst also making a baseless assumption of what I believe, at which you then decide to argue against this imaginary argument, thus forming a strawman of sorts. Are you perhaps the real Hawkins!?!?!?
:chopoff::chopoff::chopoff:
 
M944

M944

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#22
#22
Vajabaja said:
Uhhhh, no. As per the manga literally telling us, the tower signifies great change and the upheaval of the established order... Hawkins' getting L'd on by killer is not a representation of that at all, as a matter of fact, Hawkins getting L'd on is actually within the established order as Zoro, Law, and now Killer has proven such a thing through their actions. It was clearly referencing Kid and Law as the explanation of what the tower card signifies was overlaying Kid and Law getting their second wind within their fight with big mom. Needless to say but big mom is a yonko, one of the four emperors of the sea. Her being defeated quite certainly by two upstarts from the worst generation can be easily described as "A great change" or "An upheaval of the established order".

Once again however, you've made an error of misconstruing which card I was comparing Luffy and Zoro to whilst also making a baseless assumption of what I believe, at which you then decide to argue against this imaginary argument, thus forming a strawman of sorts. Are you perhaps the real Hawkins!?!?!?
:chopoff::chopoff::chopoff:
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So to make a summary you think Zoro will go back to the Rooftop fighting Kaido because he is seeing a grim reaper and some of his attacks are related to hell
Whereas you have Killer in the same panel who wears a skull shirt with scythes or even Brook who looks like the skeleton
As I said You compare it to Law and Kid beating BM (where the link is established by panels and narrator) to an hidden meaning that you found linking Luffy to a Tiger or lion when he's more a Monkey (according to Oda)

Yeah it's a stretch


I'm sure you didn't even take into account everything who goes against your theory
 
Vajabaja

Vajabaja

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#29
#29
M944 said:
So to make a summary you think Zoro will go back to the Rooftop fighting Kaido because he is seeing a grim reaper and some of his attacks are related to hell
Whereas you have Killer in the same panel who wears a skull shirt with scythes or even Brook who looks like the skeleton
As I said You compare it to Law and Kid beating BM (where the link is established by panels and narrator) to an hidden meaning that you found linking Luffy to a Tiger or lion when he's more a Monkey (according to Oda)

Yeah it's a stretch


I'm sure you didn't even take into account everything who goes against your theory
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My friend. Not once have I spoke of Zoro going back to the rooftop. That is merely a assumption of what you think I said, as well as a thing you keep trying to argue against. That is what we call a strawman but I sure you dont need me to tell you that... Hawkins
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M944

M944

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#33
#33
Vajabaja said:
My friend. Not once have I spoke of Zoro going back to the rooftop. That is merely a assumption of what you think I said, as well as a thing you keep trying to argue against. That is what we call a strawman but I sure you dont need me to tell you that... Hawkins
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Going to Rooftop or fighting Kaido it's the same thing only the location change
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Krusher1357 said:
This one's for you bro :funky: @M944
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Vajabaja

Vajabaja

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#34
#34
M944 said:
Going to Rooftop or fighting Kaido it's the same thing only the location change
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Its not though and furthermore I've never made that argument of Zoro going to the rooftop again in the first place. I wish you had just read the post
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Human D Luffy

Human D Luffy

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#37
#37
Zoro being awake and conscious after defeating King just means that the man aint done yet in wano.
I suspect Oda might give him one more PU after encountering the grim reaper, which is pretty ridiculous if you realize how strong En Ou zoro is already by now.

His wano feats are already pretty crazy so far:
1) tanking hakai
2) scarring kaido
3) unlocking aCoC
4) defeating king
 
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