Speculations Zoro will get utterly destroyed in a 1v1 by a swordsman before he surpasses Mihawk

[nik87]

because zoro wasnt fighting kizaru, like, at all. He was getting carried around and then kizaru attacked him. No actual fighting happened. But fighting happened with enel and lucci and kuma.

Nobody was carrying Zoro when Kizaru attacked. Fighting happened, Kizaru bested Zoro?
At no point is Kuma besting Zoro, pay attention. Zoro is exhausted and cannot continue but Kuma never bested him.
Lucci kicked him through a wall isnt Zoro losing.
Once he reached Enel he was already in a bad state, that's not besting him either.
Gyukimaru could have blown air at him after Killer fight and he would have "bested him" him in your logic?

 

[Formerly Seth]

Titles Don't matter here. It's the argument you guys have set forth, Promise against Swordsman, It's just a bullshit excuse. It's not weak, you guys just don't see how stupid your own argument is. A loss is a loss, No matter what.

No, and I don't care. Zoro made a swordsman promise. He FUCKING DECLARED HE WANTS TO BECOME WORLD STRONGEST SWORDSMAN NOT FUCKING BRAWLER NAGINATA USER OR BOW SHOOTER!!!!!!!! HELLO!

As stupid as it sounds he never lost when it comes to his promise. Did he lose outside of that? Yes.

Zoro's one and only swordsman loss were against Mihawk and that's it.

I'm finished when it comes to this matter.

ZORO DIDN'T BROKE HIS PROMISE AS OF YET!

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro never lost after he made that promises

Only whomever doesn't read the manga should neglect that notion :)

Kuma and Kizaru never defeated the man in fact since Kizaru vs Zoro wasn't a fight and Kuma never KOed Zoro

 

[nik87]

Titles Don't matter here. It's the argument you guys have set forth, Promise against Swordsman, It's just a bullshit excuse. It's not weak, you guys just don't see how stupid your own argument is. A loss is a loss, No matter what.

I think you should send a complaint letter to Oda. You disagree with lots of what he says.

 

[Zenos7]

Nobody was carrying Zoro when Kizaru attacked. Fighting happened, Kizaru bested Zoro?
At no point is Kuma besting Zoro, pay attention. Zoro is exhausted and cannot continue but Kuma never bested him.
Lucci kicked him through a wall isnt Zoro losing.
Once he reached Enel he was already in a bad state, that's not besting him either.
Gyukimaru could have blown air at him after Killer fight and he would have "bested him" him in your logic?

Right, the getting carried part was afterwards, but zoro still didnt fight kizaru, at all. Kizaru came from off-panel.

Zoro is exhausted and cannot continue. . . is exactly him getting bested and him accepting his defeat/inferiority.

You can make a point about zoro not being completely fresh, but the fact is he fought and he lost. You can accept it and move on or carry on arguing semantics and performing mental gymnastics. You do you.

 

[Formerly Seth]

@Ravagerblade To made it fucking clear. I don't say Zoro never lost.

I just fucking defend the idea of his promise because he didn't break it as of yet. Deal with it already.

 

[Zenos7]

@Ravagerblade To made it fucking clear. I don't say Zoro never lost.

I just fucking defend the idea of his promise because he didn't break it as of yet. Deal with it already.

did zoro specify not losing against swordsman though?

 

[Formerly Seth]

did zoro specify not losing against swordsman though?

Zoro made it clear at the beginning of the story that he wants to become the World Strongest Swordsman.

He says "I will never lose again" after he got cockblocked by his life's goal in the Mihawk's character who happens to be a WSS.

Add 1+1 and you will have the answer.

 

[nik87]

Right, the getting carried part was afterwards, but zoro still didnt fight kizaru, at all. Kizaru came from off-panel.
Zoro is exhausted and cannot continue. . . is exactly him getting bested and him accepting his defeat/inferiority.
You can make a point about zoro not being completely fresh, but the fact is he fought and he lost. You can accept it and move on or carry on arguing semantics and performing mental gymnastics. You do you.

Kizaru fought him regardless, make up you mind...
No, being exhausted isnt being bested. Zoro never lost to Kuma, he kept standing longer after Kuma was gone.
I'll do what I do and say that nobody ever defeated a fresh Zoro aside from Mihawk.

 

[Zenos7]

Kizaru fought him regardless, make up you mind...
No, being exhausted isnt being bested. Zoro never lost to Kuma, he kept standing longer after Kuma was gone.
I'll do what I do and say that nobody ever defeated a fresh Zoro aside from Mihawk.

but zoro didnt fight kizaru, are you even reading what im saying? . . .

 

[Formerly Seth]

This is what I hate about the community and mostly about myself.

Why do I even care about shit posts like this?

I fucking lost myself in power scaling/reading too much into some things.

I miss pre community days.

Fuck me.

 

[Zenos7]

Zoro made it clear at the beginning of the story that he wants to become the World Strongest Swordsman.

He says "I will never lose again" after he got cockblocked by his life's goal in the Mihawk's character who happens to be a WSS.

Add 1+1 and you will have the answer.

so it is more implied than directly stated then.

 

[Formerly Seth]

so it is more implied than directly stated then.

Yes, I agree but even you can see what this was about right?

I don't say Zoro never lost but only that he didn't break his promise as of yet.

Isn't implying a huge chunk of Oda's writing style?

 

[nik87]

but zoro didnt fight kizaru, are you even reading what im saying? . . .

But Kizaru fought Zoro. Not his fault Zoro cant keep up.
You reading what I am saying?

 

[Zenos7]

But Kizaru fought Zoro. Not his fault Zoro cant keep up.
You reading what I am saying?

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro indeed never lost that is a fact

He only did so once in his life