Chapter Discussion Zoros ACoC might be one of the strongest out there
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not how coc works
coc is directly correlated with how strong you are
since he is one the weakest among those that have it so far ( oden, bigmom,roger, wb , luffy) all stronger than him
unlike observation or armament
you cant have stronger coc than someone you are weaker than......
coc is directly correlated with how strong you are
since he is one the weakest among those that have it so far ( oden, bigmom,roger, wb , luffy) all stronger than him
unlike observation or armament
you cant have stronger coc than someone you are weaker than......
I read the line and your point misinterprets the line to equate it to "how strong you are."
It is the embodiment of the spirit =\= how strong you are
The fact Ray says it can't be trained yet states that the only way for it to get stronger is for the user to get stronger, all ties back to spirit
Yamato for example clashed equally with Kaido.
Big Mom did Same
Shanks clashed equally with WB
Luffy with Kaido
Doesn't mean they are all equally strong
It is the embodiment of the spirit =\= how strong you are
The fact Ray says it can't be trained yet states that the only way for it to get stronger is for the user to get stronger, all ties back to spirit
Yamato for example clashed equally with Kaido.
Big Mom did Same
Shanks clashed equally with WB
Luffy with Kaido
Doesn't mean they are all equally strong
you keep throwing the word embodiment of the spirit like that was my point , the red circle is not mine , the line the comes after is.
embodiment simply is a physical representation of the users spirit .
"Yamato for example clashed equally with Kaido."
vista clashed equally with mihawk
luffy clashed equally with kaido before he got knocked off the roof
are they equal?
what does that tell you......
are you trying to scale off how strong their coc is with those clashes? do you do the same with fights?
"The fact Ray says it can't be trained yet states that the only way for it to get stronger is for the user to get stronger, all ties back to spirit "
go back to luffy in fishman island knocking out 50000 people while ray and shanks could take out a 100,000
you think the difference is about spirit? or rather literally what ray says in the panel , it grows in relation to how strong the user is.
embodiment simply is a physical representation of the users spirit .
"Yamato for example clashed equally with Kaido."
vista clashed equally with mihawk
luffy clashed equally with kaido before he got knocked off the roof
are they equal?
what does that tell you......
are you trying to scale off how strong their coc is with those clashes? do you do the same with fights?
"The fact Ray says it can't be trained yet states that the only way for it to get stronger is for the user to get stronger, all ties back to spirit "
go back to luffy in fishman island knocking out 50000 people while ray and shanks could take out a 100,000
you think the difference is about spirit? or rather literally what ray says in the panel , it grows in relation to how strong the user is.
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How exactly would enma release haki on other swords, Like done here ?
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
Did you read my point?
Embodiment of the spirit is what is in the manga.
Your point that it equates to "how strong you are" is not grounded in the manga fact.
That tells me that you do not understand the argument.
Two characters clashing equally in COC =\= they are equally strong.
Which again proves my point. Where did Oda say that Ray and Shanks knocking out 10000 0fishmen is because they are stronger?
It is just an assumption that COC strength = how strong you are.
The manga statement by Rayleigh makes it clear that it is how strong ones "Spirit" hence why it can't be trained
Embodiment of the spirit is what is in the manga.
Your point that it equates to "how strong you are" is not grounded in the manga fact.
That tells me that you do not understand the argument.
Two characters clashing equally in COC =\= they are equally strong.
Which again proves my point. Where did Oda say that Ray and Shanks knocking out 10000 0fishmen is because they are stronger?
It is just an assumption that COC strength = how strong you are.
The manga statement by Rayleigh makes it clear that it is how strong ones "Spirit" hence why it can't be trained
read and dont waste my time
overwhelming power gap bolded
D: Luffy's haoshoku haki was able to affect 50,000 men, but how many would Shanks and the others be able to defeat? P.N. Captain Nobuo
O: In exactly the same place and exact same situation as Luffy, Shanks or Rayleigh may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000. In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out.
overwhelming power gap bolded
D: Luffy's haoshoku haki was able to affect 50,000 men, but how many would Shanks and the others be able to defeat? P.N. Captain Nobuo
O: In exactly the same place and exact same situation as Luffy, Shanks or Rayleigh may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000. In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out.
Again you are misrepresenting the statement. The power gap is what determines who gets knocked out =\= it determines how strong ones COC is.
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The whole point of COC not being able to be trained is because it is not dependent on physical stats but rather the spirit. If not then that very statement would be contradictory since strength can be trained then COC can also be trained
"STRONG WILLED"
Also COC does not vary. By such logic, you'd have to claim that Shanks was equal to WB and Yamato was equal to Kaido
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The whole point of COC not being able to be trained is because it is not dependent on physical stats but rather the spirit. If not then that very statement would be contradictory since strength can be trained then COC can also be trained
"STRONG WILLED"
Also COC does not vary. By such logic, you'd have to claim that Shanks was equal to WB and Yamato was equal to Kaido
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The power gap is what determines who gets knocked out =\= it determines how strong ones COC is.
rofl
yeah this is why folks here are comparing how much haki leaks instead rather than the answer staring at them in the face.
if ray or shanks conqueror's can affect more and stronger people than luffy can then their coc is infact stronger than his and its stronger because they are stronger individuals.
" If not then that very statement would be contradictory since strength can be trained them COC can also be trained"
what ray said is that it cannot be trained directly
BOLDED
not a contradiction , read again lol
why would I claim they are equal to wb
when I dont measure how strong their coc is in a clash ?????
what do you mean by coc does not vary?????
it clearly varies in strength.
rofl
yeah this is why folks here are comparing how much haki leaks instead rather than the answer staring at them in the face.
if ray or shanks conqueror's can affect more and stronger people than luffy can then their coc is infact stronger than his and its stronger because they are stronger individuals.
" If not then that very statement would be contradictory since strength can be trained them COC can also be trained"
what ray said is that it cannot be trained directly
BOLDED
not a contradiction , read again lol
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why would I claim they are equal to wb
when I dont measure how strong their coc is in a clash ?????
what do you mean by coc does not vary?????
it clearly varies in strength.
*Strong willed
Which still doesn't affect my point. If it is tied to how strong someone is, then training yourself is directly training COC because to you it is tied to how strong one is.
Because COC doesn't vary. So when two characters clash equally in COC then it means their COC is equal. By your claim, that it would mean they are also equally strong.
Which still doesn't affect my point. If it is tied to how strong someone is, then training yourself is directly training COC because to you it is tied to how strong one is.
Because COC doesn't vary. So when two characters clash equally in COC then it means their COC is equal. By your claim, that it would mean they are also equally strong.
it does affect your point cause its not at all a contradiction
wasnt that your point?
by getting stronger , your coc gets stronger indirectly. simple enough?
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lol
"Because COC doesn't vary. So when two characters clash equally in COC then it means their COC is equal. By your claim, that it would mean they are also equally strong."
I dont think two characters clashing equally in op means they are equally strong do you?
so why would I think a clash of conquerors would imply that they are.....
your conclusion from my claim is nonsensical.
"coc doesnt vary"
in the same vein quotes a post showing how different ray and shanks conquerors would be to FI luffy.
very great argument you got here
wasnt that your point?
by getting stronger , your coc gets stronger indirectly. simple enough?
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lol
"Because COC doesn't vary. So when two characters clash equally in COC then it means their COC is equal. By your claim, that it would mean they are also equally strong."
I dont think two characters clashing equally in op means they are equally strong do you?
so why would I think a clash of conquerors would imply that they are.....
your conclusion from my claim is nonsensical.
"coc doesnt vary"
in the same vein quotes a post showing how different ray and shanks conquerors would be to FI luffy.
very great argument you got here