Speculations Zoro's bizzare adventure part 2

#81
You guys seem to believe it is yonko>>yc1 and thus, kaido>>king right?

It was the same for lucci>>kaku... guess what happened.

I bet king will be zoro's first fight in the nw, where he has to fight with his full power. The same applies to sanji and the rest.

While luffy has to go beyond his power, against kaido it will be extreme diff. Just like with lucci where he couldn't even stand anymore.


(Oh and a "prediction" of mine, I believe sanji has learnt from ivankov/ copied from him newkama techniques, which he doesn't want to use, as it would go against his character. But he will have to use it against queen. Lol)
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#82
How many times did Zoro mention fighting Kaido in wano?
Who does Zoro wanna avenge? Yasu
Did Zoro even mention Oden? No

Luffy is the one who trained for Kaido, who recently even mentioned Oden

Zoro taking part in Luffy main fight will not happen
He is still the man who made a promise with Kuina to become the strongest swordsman of all times

Moreover why would Oda focus so many chapters on the Oden FB and Zoro's Enma training differently
 
#83
I don't see oden's will as "defeat kaido".

His will is to open wanos borders which is very likely related to the ancient kingdom (why wano has closed it borders in the first place).

Kaido is just "somebody who defeated and killed him" but what has this to do with his goal to open up wano's borders?
Sure kaido and orochi are in the way for that but the REAL REASON has to do with the void century and the final war at the eos, considering that he wanted to open the border AFTER his travel to raftel.
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As for being the strongest swordsman, he has to beat mihawk and not to slash kaido for that.

Take out kaido of the story and what changes for him to become the strongest swordsman? Nothing, since he still only has to beat mihawk.

As for zoro inheriting oden's sword. I don't think that this symbolizes oden's will.
I see it as a bond between hiyori and zoro. Hiyori gave her father's sword to zoro. How could she possibly say louder, that she is in love with zoro? And that they will become a thing in the future.
 
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Shura

#84
The only instance that shit happened in a clear manner was fucking enies lobby, that’s why it was shit tier.
No ...it was not shit tier....atleast Luffy powerups had clear explanation and it made sense.....you know single powerup can be a game changer in a big way in OP....

FS for Luffy vs Katakuri fight changed the game in a bigway.....that was a huge boost...Luffy could get clean hits even in base form because of FS.....
Now, adCoA can also give a huge jump...because in theory it is a lethal move more than AP....it is like Gamma knife.....so in theory if Luffy lands a clean hit on Kaido even in base form, he could hurt Kaido even if it is a little because it practically bypass his durability...so yeah, one powerup can jump tiers in a logical way....mind you, I am not saying that this is all it takes to defeat Kaido but atleast this jump could help to cope up with Kaido or alteast with base Kaido....
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And Luffytards think Rubber can solo Kaido lmao
Hold your horses....no or atleast majority of them are not thinking that Luffy can solo Kaido....that is Zorotards (majority) area who wanks out of proportion even his fart...

if Luffy soloing Kaido happens, it happens only in final round.....like Doflamingo fight....
 
#89
So basically making up shit...even if there are people who believe that, their number will be very small and insignificant compared to the shit make up by many of Zorotards on daily basis.....
That's not fair
There are plenty of proofs pointing towards the participation of Zoro against Kaido
You just can't ignore all of them and call Zoro fans in that way. As far as I know Zoro fans always provide manga panels before making a claim (just read any post of @Light D Lamperouge or @ImmaIvanoM )
Can't say the same for other fanbases
 
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Shura

#90
That's not fair
There are plenty of proofs pointing towards the participation of Zoro against Kaido
You are wrong on three things

1) I was never against the claim of Zoro's participation.

2) I didn't say all the Zoro fans.

3) Other fandom does post panels and defend their claims too and they are logical and illogical or out of context just like Zoro fans claim....
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Both sides have arguments that has basis of a story

Zoro's side:
Enma
Ryuma
Wano samurai

point me if I miss any

opponent side:
Zoro never participated in main fight of Luffy so far
Zoro didn't make any claim against Kaido. He said he would take revenge against Orochi.
Zoro getting to fight King and then have enough energy to inflict "fatal" damage to Kaido?

Last point is as absurd as Luffy soloing Kaido....
 
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#91
As for being the strongest swordsman, he has to beat mihawk and not to slash kaido for that.
I said "Strongest swordsman in Wano"

I mean it's a bit of a waste to write up statements based on wrong conclusions no?

I said Zoro will be the strongest swordsman in Wano by defeating king who is currently the strongest swordsman in Wano.
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As for zoro inheriting oden's sword. I don't think that this symbolizes oden's will
Well I think it does symbolise inherited will so done.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#93
Odens 2 biggest enemies were orochi and kaido


Luffy and kaido is self explanatory

I want too see more from the zoro and orochi plot. Itll likely lead him to fighting whoever is protecting him
Oden had two swords
Wano has 2 tyrants

The ame no habikiri is the snake slayer sword the sword literally famed in japan for slaying the yamata no orochi
Pretty obvious who that is gonna be used on.


Zoro got enma the sword oda chose to solely hype up for cutting kaido even though both did

Odens 2 swords will be used to free wano from the respective tyrant.
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
#94
Luffy soloing Kaido a fan fiction.
Luffy soloing 2 yonkos is even a greater fan fiction and trust me, there are Luffytards that believes in that :milaugh:
luffy is not soloing kaido, ever. That people think that tells me they know nothing about power scalling and the huge power gap that was presented at the begining of wano.
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I said "Strongest swordsman in Wano"

I mean it's a bit of a waste to write up statements based on wrong conclusions no?

I said Zoro will be the strongest swordsman in Wano by defeating king who is currently the strongest swordsman in Wano.
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Well I think it does symbolise inherited will so done.
So what you think is what is true? Youre acting like a child. Oden was shown to be a leader who had magnetic charisma, same as luffy. Oden was shown to value his comrades above all to an extreme degree, same as luffy( you could argue zoro here but luffy is way more so), oden has coc, same as luffy. Oden lost because he tried to shoulder everything on himself and not rely on his friends. Luffy is the opposite of that paralleling how he will win against kaido by doing what kaido didnt, rely on his teammates.
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That's not fair
There are plenty of proofs pointing towards the participation of Zoro against Kaido
You just can't ignore all of them and call Zoro fans in that way. As far as I know Zoro fans always provide manga panels before making a claim (just read any post of @Light D Lamperouge or @ImmaIvanoM )
Can't say the same for other fanbases
If zoro participates in the kaido fight, he cant have fought king before. Its basic maths really. Luffy was on deaths door after kata and had to be carried, and you want me to believe he will fight king and then go on to kaido? Especially after we've seen him faint after one hit by killer and a tummy ache.
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He is still the man who made a promise with Kuina to become the strongest swordsman of all times

Moreover why would Oda focus so many chapters on the Oden FB and Zoro's Enma training differently
Kaido is not a swordsman my friend, and what do you mean by odens fb and its correlation to zoro's enma training? For me its just a powerup to allow him to fight king/yc, he will beat king who is a swordsman and if he manages to cut kaido in the process then more power to you guys to be honest. But its been shown that it wasnt only enma that cut him but ame no akiri too.
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You guys seem to believe it is yonko>>yc1 and thus, kaido>>king right?

It was the same for lucci>>kaku... guess what happened.

I bet king will be zoro's first fight in the nw, where he has to fight with his full power. The same applies to sanji and the rest.

While luffy has to go beyond his power, against kaido it will be extreme diff. Just like with lucci where he couldn't even stand anymore.


(Oh and a "prediction" of mine, I believe sanji has learnt from ivankov/ copied from him newkama techniques, which he doesn't want to use, as it would go against his character. But he will have to use it against queen. Lol)
Did you just say luffy is gonna solo kaido ala lucci?
Yonko>>>> Yc1, i dont see lucci one shoting hybrid kaku out cold in one hit. You guys are severely underestimating yonko and top tiers in general, They are top tiers for a reason. If all it took is lifting some rocks and learned how to damage them for a few days to win then they wouldnt be walking around for decades. Luffy will get help, a lot of it. And he wont be the only one left standing by the end. I believe kidd will be there too, the man is a conqueror and i believe he will be luffys equal
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Are you saying you read this page and never realised Oda is talking about Inherited will being passed on through swords?

What about when Oden literally says "My soul will live on"


And then his swords are passed on to his children


Were you reading all this and thinking "Oda is just writing random shit just to sound clever and there's no meaning to any of this." Even though the actual chapter when Kawamatsu talks about Inherited will is the very same Chapter Hiyori offers Enma to Zoro.

You read all this and whoosh. It was all white noise to you.



And it seems you literally don't even understand what you yourself are saying. RESOLVE MAKES PEOPLE STRONGER =/= RESOLVE MAKES PEOPLE WIN FIGHTS

Why do I have to explain this? A person can get stronger than they previously were and still not win. Luffy was clearly far stronger in Marineford than he had ever been. THe man literally stunned all of Marineford with CoC out of pure resolve. Zoro was clearly stronger against Mihawk than he had ever been. He even pulled out a "three sword secret technique" on mihawk which he never uses for the next 400 chapters.

TF? How is this hard to understand? You can get stronger without Winning. It's not rocket science.

And you seem to forget ZORO'S RESOLVE IN WANO IS INCREASING AND HE'S ACTUALLLY TRAINING.

Did you forget that part? The part where Zoro who had never Gone all out before decided to train to get even MUCH STRONGER. Did you forget that part?



You forgot that Tenguyama says Zoro pulled off a feat only Oden had ever done when he tamed Enma? You know, that feat that had Kin'emon(Oden's right hand man) sweating and Kawamatsu was praising Zoro.

And since when do you know that making black blade doesn't mean you are above other swordsmen. The only two people who have done it are the person who is the God of Oden's country who no one has ever said Oden is comparable to and Mihawk, the guy who is directly stated to be stronger than all other swordsmen. Geez where did you read that making a black blade isn't a top tier feat?
So basically, for you. Kawamatsu saying that the battle between the beast pirates( not just kaido) and wano isnt over translated into the battle between zoro/oden and kaido? Man you really just read what you want to read huh!

Him saying my soul will live on translates into, Zoro kun senpai sama will receive my will? How did you come to that conclusion? Do you know who's been invested into Oden's will ? Luffy, zoro has shown no interest in Oden or kaido nor even uttered their fucking names, the only thing he kept repeating and interracting with was orochi. Seems to me like you are, again, just reading into whatever you fucking wanna see.

And last but not least, hahahahha, passing the swords into his children means now that he's passing his will into zoro? Damn what a huge stretch. But then again, thats all you guys do. Stretchity stretch.

So wait, taming enma now means you are at the same strength level as oden? whoa man, another stretch.

Next, roger has no black blade. Wanna tell me mihawk is stronger than him bb? Nor did rayleigh, nor did wb, nor did shanks. It is pretty fucking clear that black blades arent the end all be all for measuring power between two swordsmen.

Everone is TRAINING for this battle, not just zoro. Dont fucking elevate him for no reason until we see FEATS from him.

Oh i cant fucking wait till we get to battles, we need FEATS or this debate will never end.
 
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#95
Well, I don't see kaido one shotting king either. The reason why luffy got one shotted was simply because his haki was nit advanced, can't say the same for king. You see the problem is, the yonko have been hyped up but it is not like yonko>>>>yc1.

For example, wb vs marco? Sure, wb would win, but never ever would marco be oneshotted, in fact he would put up quite a good fight. Wb>>marco.
Most probably the same goes for shanks and beckman.
As for bm and katakuri, I don't see katakuri going down so easily as well, his future sight will come handy in avoiding attacks and his advanced haki will help him out, so he will not get oneshotted.
The way I see it, bm>>katakuri.


Again, that is why, I believe kaido>>king (like with every yonko>>yc1 instead of yonko>>>>yc1). They wouldn't get oneshotted.


And everyone is complaining about the gap, because luffy got oneshotted, that was because his haki was too weak for defense and too weak to damage kaido. With advanced haki he can pretty much fight with kaido on par (will be an extreme extreme diff).

I mean, just imagine that when luffy attacked kaido he used advanced haki. No way in hell that kaido wouldn't take much damage.
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+ he couldn't usd foresight, as his emotions were disturbed, because he was angry for his friends getting attacked.

So he will evade some attacks of kaido for sure.


Wrapping up, for me advanced haki is not a linear power up but an exponential power up. No matter who learns/uses it.
And the more your "brute" power is, meaning your power without haki, it is better.
As for luffy, well we know that his attacks are powerfull even without haki so that will also play into his hands.

So right now, luffy after training >> luffy before training.
 
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