Speculations Zoro's bizzare adventure part 2
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Looking through the lens of purely feats or fan approved tierlists is severely limiting. They're neat reference points, but they shouldn't supersede what the story tells us.
Even now, the only point against Zoro is that he's "not strong enough." Based on what? We haven't seen him go all out, and has only grown stronger through his training, based on statements from the manga. The same manga which directly compared Zoro and Oden.
We'll see whether Zoro meets/surpasses/falls short of expectations in due time, but to ignore all the story build ups that have occurred in the meanwhile because it doesn't align with your head-canon power levels is myopic.
Even now, the only point against Zoro is that he's "not strong enough." Based on what? We haven't seen him go all out, and has only grown stronger through his training, based on statements from the manga. The same manga which directly compared Zoro and Oden.
We'll see whether Zoro meets/surpasses/falls short of expectations in due time, but to ignore all the story build ups that have occurred in the meanwhile because it doesn't align with your head-canon power levels is myopic.
You do realize that haki is not the only stat that can grow right?
Furthermore, because Rayleigh say that, I supposed you do not considered that Zoro’s haki became stronger when he was training with Enma, right?
It was two years of training with the WSS. Training which was so harsh that he lose an eye. Did Zoro should have lost a limb for you to consider the difficulty of his training?
Yep i guess that if you consider that Zoro cutting down a mountain by strength alone (which Law never do) is not something of value, worst if you consider that talking about it, is « wanking » that means that you are totally oblivious of what Oda was trying to portray which in itself explained why you seems unable properly evaluate Zoro actual strength.
No, it is not a fact. It is your interpretation based on your tier list. Hyozou was called strong by Luffy, show me one « fodder » that was called « strong » by Luffy.
Monet was able to make Luffy runaway, show me one « fodder » that made Luffy runaway from a 1v1 fight.
But as I said you refuse to acknowledge what Oda portrayed.
Furthermore, because Rayleigh say that, I supposed you do not considered that Zoro’s haki became stronger when he was training with Enma, right?
It was two years of training with the WSS. Training which was so harsh that he lose an eye. Did Zoro should have lost a limb for you to consider the difficulty of his training?
Yep i guess that if you consider that Zoro cutting down a mountain by strength alone (which Law never do) is not something of value, worst if you consider that talking about it, is « wanking » that means that you are totally oblivious of what Oda was trying to portray which in itself explained why you seems unable properly evaluate Zoro actual strength.
No, it is not a fact. It is your interpretation based on your tier list. Hyozou was called strong by Luffy, show me one « fodder » that was called « strong » by Luffy.
Monet was able to make Luffy runaway, show me one « fodder » that made Luffy runaway from a 1v1 fight.
But as I said you refuse to acknowledge what Oda portrayed.
No Pica can't send Kizaru flying like that because Picas base physicals are no where near Marcos. Marco is obviously overall superior fighter than Pica but match ups matter, its pretty same situation as Ace vs Smoker where Ace is far superior fighter but due match ups they cancel each other out. Btw don't get carried away, Kizaru would obliterate Marco the moment he decides to.
Picas strength comes from the fact that he is a moving mountain who can shake Islands with punches but Kizaru can obliterate Pica with his insane DC.
Picas strength comes from the fact that he is a moving mountain who can shake Islands with punches but Kizaru can obliterate Pica with his insane DC.
Rivaille-san dropping some facts. 
4th step - stop looking at things through Luffy lenses. Hard job for Luffy doesnt equal to hard job for Zoro.
4th step - stop looking at things through Luffy lenses. Hard job for Luffy doesnt equal to hard job for Zoro.
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Zoro spent a lot of time sparring with Mihawk hence his left eye being gone. Obviously there is going to be a back story with what happened to that eye
I mean Gyukimaru's character represents Benkei from Japanese history/folk lore and Benkei is known for collecting great weapons.
On top of it Wano is a country of producing some of the greatest blades weapons, even the maker of Kitetsu blades belongs to Wano. And Orochi is the leader of Wano, why wouldn't he supply his main assassin with some of the best weapons he can get his hands on?
I am not being biased, Killer was not missing his main fighting style, he adjusted to his fighting style with his new weapons just fine. I have already made a long post about why Killer was not nerfed and you have seen it so I am not gonna go down that route again.
With Zoro how ever its an established fact Santoryu Zoro shits on Nittoryu Zoro, specially if Santoryu Zoro has a special sword like Shushui. Did you see how big of a difference there was between 720 pound canon and 1080 pound canon? It was like day and night.
I have already told you I don't scale Luffy to Zoro, Luffy is not Zoro's ceiling, he never was. So just cuz Luffy struggled against YC3 doesn't mean Zoro will as well. Luffy struggled against Monet as well and Zoro shat all over her.
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Man maybe you are right, maybe Zoro is not YC1+. If he isn't then I would just realize my way of power scaling doesn't apply to One Piece and that's just it no harm done.
Hell I wanted to believe you guys were right, that him busting a mountain with his physical stats alone, overpowering admirals attack was just a fluke and mere YC4 level characters can do that but then we saw YC3 and even YC1 go all out and none of them were even close to that. Then I so Zoro completely obliterate two YC4 level supernova characters, fighting on par with a certified commander level character while massively nerfed, tame a top tier's blade.
On top of it Wano is a country of producing some of the greatest blades weapons, even the maker of Kitetsu blades belongs to Wano. And Orochi is the leader of Wano, why wouldn't he supply his main assassin with some of the best weapons he can get his hands on?
I am not being biased, Killer was not missing his main fighting style, he adjusted to his fighting style with his new weapons just fine. I have already made a long post about why Killer was not nerfed and you have seen it so I am not gonna go down that route again.
With Zoro how ever its an established fact Santoryu Zoro shits on Nittoryu Zoro, specially if Santoryu Zoro has a special sword like Shushui. Did you see how big of a difference there was between 720 pound canon and 1080 pound canon? It was like day and night.
I have already told you I don't scale Luffy to Zoro, Luffy is not Zoro's ceiling, he never was. So just cuz Luffy struggled against YC3 doesn't mean Zoro will as well. Luffy struggled against Monet as well and Zoro shat all over her.
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Man maybe you are right, maybe Zoro is not YC1+. If he isn't then I would just realize my way of power scaling doesn't apply to One Piece and that's just it no harm done.
Hell I wanted to believe you guys were right, that him busting a mountain with his physical stats alone, overpowering admirals attack was just a fluke and mere YC4 level characters can do that but then we saw YC3 and even YC1 go all out and none of them were even close to that. Then I so Zoro completely obliterate two YC4 level supernova characters, fighting on par with a certified commander level character while massively nerfed, tame a top tier's blade.
Fujitora was not super casual, what are you on about lol? What does attack being nameless had to do with attack being casual, Zoro's Pica slash was nameless but "Bird dance" attack he used on Hody was named, does it mean that Hody attack was stronger than a mountain buster?
Dude had intensity all over his face and used one of his strongest attacks that he had in Dressrosa,
On top of it he stayed on Zoro kept applying insane pressure with the attack so strong, it had same level of DC implying same level of power as Diced Mochi, Katakuri's strongest attack and Zoro overpowers it with a nameless flying slash from his weakest sword.
Fujitora lifting rubble was nameless, him summoning meteors was nameless.
Raging Tiger Fuji used on Luffy > Attack Fuji used on Zoro >> Raging Tiger Fuji used on Sabo.
The only difference is Zoro tanked that attack from Fuji and then physically overpowered it while Luffy only survived the attack due to his resistance to blunt damage and Sabo due to his logia abilities.
But the most important thing is Zoro was able to OVERPOWER a top tier's attack. Zoro is the only non top tier character in manga to overpower a top tier's attack while top tier is clearly trying to restrain Zoro. That feat alone is enough to put Zoro at YC1 level.
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And Luffy doing better than Zoro also makes negative sense because Zoro has fought Fuji before and Zoro saw what Fuji did to Luffy and Zoro still wanted to see how he would fare.
Dude had intensity all over his face and used one of his strongest attacks that he had in Dressrosa,
On top of it he stayed on Zoro kept applying insane pressure with the attack so strong, it had same level of DC implying same level of power as Diced Mochi, Katakuri's strongest attack and Zoro overpowers it with a nameless flying slash from his weakest sword.
Fujitora lifting rubble was nameless, him summoning meteors was nameless.
Raging Tiger Fuji used on Luffy > Attack Fuji used on Zoro >> Raging Tiger Fuji used on Sabo.
The only difference is Zoro tanked that attack from Fuji and then physically overpowered it while Luffy only survived the attack due to his resistance to blunt damage and Sabo due to his logia abilities.
But the most important thing is Zoro was able to OVERPOWER a top tier's attack. Zoro is the only non top tier character in manga to overpower a top tier's attack while top tier is clearly trying to restrain Zoro. That feat alone is enough to put Zoro at YC1 level.
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And Luffy doing better than Zoro also makes negative sense because Zoro has fought Fuji before and Zoro saw what Fuji did to Luffy and Zoro still wanted to see how he would fare.
Fujitora was not super casual, what are you on about lol? What does attack being nameless had to do with attack being casual, Zoro's Pica slash was nameless but "Bird dance" attack he used on Hody was named, does it mean that Hody attack was stronger than a mountain buster?
Dude had intensity all over his face and used one of his strongest attacks that he had in Dressrosa,
On top of it he stayed on Zoro kept applying insane pressure with the attack so strong, it had same level of DC implying same level of power as Diced Mochi, Katakuri's strongest attack and Zoro overpowers it with a nameless flying slash from his weakest sword.
Fujitora lifting rubble was nameless, him summoning meteors was nameless.
Raging Tiger Fuji used on Luffy > Attack Fuji used on Zoro >> Raging Tiger Fuji used on Sabo.
The only difference is Zoro tanked that attack from Fuji and then physically overpowered it while Luffy only survived the attack due to his resistance to blunt damage and Sabo due to his logia abilities.
But the most important thing is Zoro was able to OVERPOWER a top tier's attack. Zoro is the only non top tier character in manga to overpower a top tier's attack while top tier is clearly trying to restrain Zoro. That feat alone is enough to put Zoro at YC1 level.
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And Luffy doing better than Zoro also makes negative sense because Zoro has fought Fuji before and Zoro saw what Fuji did to Luffy and Zoro still wanted to see how he would fare.
Dude had intensity all over his face and used one of his strongest attacks that he had in Dressrosa,
On top of it he stayed on Zoro kept applying insane pressure with the attack so strong, it had same level of DC implying same level of power as Diced Mochi, Katakuri's strongest attack and Zoro overpowers it with a nameless flying slash from his weakest sword.
Fujitora lifting rubble was nameless, him summoning meteors was nameless.
Raging Tiger Fuji used on Luffy > Attack Fuji used on Zoro >> Raging Tiger Fuji used on Sabo.
The only difference is Zoro tanked that attack from Fuji and then physically overpowered it while Luffy only survived the attack due to his resistance to blunt damage and Sabo due to his logia abilities.
But the most important thing is Zoro was able to OVERPOWER a top tier's attack. Zoro is the only non top tier character in manga to overpower a top tier's attack while top tier is clearly trying to restrain Zoro. That feat alone is enough to put Zoro at YC1 level.
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And Luffy doing better than Zoro also makes negative sense because Zoro has fought Fuji before and Zoro saw what Fuji did to Luffy and Zoro still wanted to see how he would fare.
I don't want shit from One Piece, I don't even give a shit about One Piece.
Its not about what I want, its about is going to happen for better or for worse. What ever happens, I won't give a shit. Even if Zoro fights Who's Who as his final opponent and has a Luffy vs Katakuri type battle with him, I won't give a shit.
But that's not what's gonna happen. What will happen, is Zoro will low diff Who's Who if they ever fought and then high diff King.
Its not about what I want, its about is going to happen for better or for worse. What ever happens, I won't give a shit. Even if Zoro fights Who's Who as his final opponent and has a Luffy vs Katakuri type battle with him, I won't give a shit.
But that's not what's gonna happen. What will happen, is Zoro will low diff Who's Who if they ever fought and then high diff King.