General & Others Zoro's final Three Swords. No Kitetsu?

#1
So with the recent chapter we just learned that Zoro was gifted two Swords as a child by Shimotsuki Kozaburo. We also know that upon Kuina's death, he was gifted the Wado Ichimonji.

What people might no realize is that those two Swords that Zoro was gifted by Kozaburo, are the same two Swords that Zoro used in conjunction with Wado Ichimonji in the beginning of the series.





These happen to also be the same two Swords that Mihawk broke, during Zoro's first encounter with him.

This means that when Zoro first started his journey with Luffy on his quest to become the World's Strongest Swordsman, he did so wielding three Swords by Shimotsuki Kozaburo.

After Mihawk broke those two Swords, Zoro managed to pick up two other Swords during that time. One was the Sandai Kitetsu, and the other one was the Yubashiri. The Yubashiri however, didn't last long in Zoro's arsenal, as it was destroyed after the events of Enies Lobby, thus allowing for Zoro to pick up the Shusui.

Zoro then gave Shusui back to Wano, in exchange for Enma. This means that Zoro once again has two Swords in his arsenal that was created by Kozaburo. This now makes Shodai Kitestsu the odd man out. The popular assumption was that Shodai was going to somehow get broken, thus leading to Zoro getting the Nidai Kitetsu, but what if that isn't the case at all?

What if the scenario is more so that Zoro gives the Sandai Kitetsu back to Hitestsu in exchange for another Sword. Remember when Hitetsu gave Zoro the Enma, he told him, that if it wasn't to his liking, he had plenty of others for Zoro to choose from. What if one of those Swords is another one created by Kozuburo?

Now Oda is not the type to do something without reason, and now that I think about it, it was oddly suspicious that Oda gave Zoro a Sword for such a short period of time, only to have it destroyed not too far after. But what if that was a hint at the final Sword that Zoro would be getting? If you look at the meaning of "Yubarashi" it translates to "Snow" run. You know what is oddly similar to that? "Shimotsuki" which stands for "Frost" Moon. Snow and Frost go hand in hand. It's possible that Kozaburo created a series of "Snow" Swords, with Yubarashi being the weakest of the three, and Zoro will somehow get the strongest version of that series of Swords.

If that's the case, then Zoro will thus once again be wielding three Swords by Kozaburo. He will have started his Journey with three Swords made by Kozaburo, and will get revenge against Mihawk, and end his Journey with three Swords created by Kozaburo.

Now I know some people will point out that what would have been the point of Zoro getting Sandai, if he was never meant to get the updated version of it, and I have a simple answer for that. Oda seems to be linking all the Swords that Zoro has wielded in some way. Even Shusui was once wielded by a Shimotsuki. Oda giving Zoro Sandai to use for a period of time, could just be his way of connection Zoro to the person who wields Shodai, when their inevitable fight happens.

So that's all I got. The thread initially started out as just pointing out that the Swords Zoro started the series with were the same ones Kozaburo gave him, and evolved into this. What do you guys think? Complete the trifecta, or Zoro gets the Nidai Kitetsu like many predict, and one Sword remains the odd man out?
 
#2
Now I know some people will point out that what would have been the point of Zoro getting Sandai, if he was never meant to get the updated version of it, and I have a simple answer for that. Oda seems to be linking all the Swords that Zoro has wielded in some way. Even Shusui was once wielded by a Shimotsuki. Oda giving Zoro Sandai to use for a period of time, could just be his way of connection Zoro to the person who wields Shodai, when their inevitable fight happens.
Nothing is stopping Oda from later saying Nidai Kitetsu was the sword of choice for Shimotsuki Ushimaru.
This way a Shimotsuki carried the sword and it becomes Zoro's birthright sword.
 
#3
Nothing is stopping Oda from later saying Nidai Kitetsu was the sword of choice for Shimotsuki Ushimaru.
This way a Shimotsuki carried the sword and it becomes Zoro's birthright sword.
That's completely possible, but I think the theme Oda is going for here is that Zoro's final 3 Swords were all created by the same guy. He started his Journey with three swords created by the same man, and will end his Journey with three Swords created by the same man.

Yubarashi is the main reason behind this assumption, because as it stands it is the only Sword wielded by Zoro that has zero connection to anything,

With the fact that it's name stands for "Snow" and the Shimtauki name stands for "Frost" there is a decent chance that Yubarashi is actually created by a Shimotsuki. This would complete the cycle of beginning and end, and give Yubarashi a place among everything Oda has been doing with Zoro's Swords.

This also fits the cycle of Death and Rebirth theme Oda seems to have going on with Zoro and Buddhist mythology.
 
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But Kozaburo stated in the chapter that Enma is his masterpiece, Zoro getting any other sword of his would feel like a letdown.
I believe Nidai is a lock and was probably Ushimaru's sword.
Getting Enma doesn't make Wado a letdown, does it?

I am not opposed to Zoro getting Nidai, but after this chapter the blaring question remains as to what benefit does it bring to the table exactly?

Is Oda going to make Nidai even more of a beast to tame than Enma, and then we are going to get the same scenario with Zoro needing to learn to control Nidai, like we just got with Enma?

Zoro has now figured out the concept of how to tame a Sword. That ship has sailed.

We've also just learned that Swords aren't actually "cursed", so it's not like the potential obstacle of overcoming a "Cursed" Sword even exists anymore. Also, Zoro is going to turn Enma black, so any Sword he gets after that is going to pale in comparison, Nidai included.

I initially was one of the people who heavily believed Zoro would get Nidai, but that was also because I believed Zoro would give Enma back and regain Shusui, which would give him three Swords by three different creators. But it's pretty much locked in that Zoro is keeping Enma for the long run, and to me it kind of makes it off balanced for Zoro to possess two Swords by one creator, and another Sword by a different creator. Not to mention this goes against the "3's" symbolism that Oda loves.
 
#7
They were just your run of the mill swords,the starting swords weren't made by Kozaburo.

Zoro has already broken swords before Mihawk..

The circular handle is the most common one on swords as well.


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But Sandai needs replacing for sure. It has
done its part. Even if it becomes A black blade it would too weak compare to the rest. It doesn't even belong now on the 3rd highest grade.
 
#8
They were just your run of the mill swords,the starting swords weren't made by Kozaburo.

Zoro has already broken swords before Mihawk..

The circular handle is the most common one on swords as well.

Who exactly would have broken Zoro's Swords in East Blue, when he was the Strongest Swordsman in East Blue?

All Zoro said was his swords were broken a few times. That coincides with Mihawk breaking two of them, and Shu destroying the third one.
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Plus it holds way more weight for Mihawk to have broken his childhood Swords, gifted by Shimotsuki Kozaburo, then for him to have broken just two run of the mill swords Zoro picked up on his adventure after some random Swordsman broke his other Swords.
 
#9
I can't accept the idea that anything other than Nidai will replace Sandai. Shusui is a possibility, but not a likely one.

Also: I'm pretty sure we're talking about generic swords when it comes to the ones Zoro had before Mihawk, not really the ones from Kozaburo. It wouldn't make sense for him to keep dull blades, and it's hard to say there was sentiment if they weren't named or anything. They never compared to Wado.
 
#12
Who exactly would have broken Zoro's Swords in East Blue, when he was the Strongest Swordsman in East Blue?

All Zoro said was his swords were broken a few times. That coincides with Mihawk breaking two of them, and Shu destroying the third one.
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Plus it holds way more weight for Mihawk to have broken his childhood Swords, gifted by Shimotsuki Kozaburo, then for him to have broken just two run of the mill swords Zoro picked up on his adventure after some random Swordsman broke his other Swords.
They weren't good blades. Kozaburo told you so.
They were done in by the usage Zoro had made.
And as for the other part ,Mihawk breaking them
Is one time that two of them broke togetehr .

And if you read a second trusted enough translation that is cnet ,both translation say pretty much rhe same.
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[Insert text: With a swift flurry of blades, Zoro shows his worth!!]
Zoro: *pant*... *pant*...
Flashback!Mihawk: Have you ever had your blades broken?
Zoro: No damage to the blade...
Flashback!Zoro: Well, once or twice... Hell, you broke them once!!
Flashback!Mihawk: Had you imbued them with Haki, those same blade would not have broken.
Flashback!Zoro: ?!
Zoro: (..................)
Flashback!Mihawk: You should feel shame if you allow your blades to be damaged. / Any blade can become a “Black Blade”. // Until you achieve that, I forbid you to drink alcohol.
Flashback!Zoro: Whaaaaa~~~~~~?!!
Zoro: ...Heheh...
 
#14
Getting Enma doesn't make Wado a letdown, does it?

I am not opposed to Zoro getting Nidai, but after this chapter the blaring question remains as to what benefit does it bring to the table exactly?

Is Oda going to make Nidai even more of a beast to tame than Enma, and then we are going to get the same scenario with Zoro needing to learn to control Nidai, like we just got with Enma?

Zoro has now figured out the concept of how to tame a Sword. That ship has sailed.

We've also just learned that Swords aren't actually "cursed", so it's not like the potential obstacle of overcoming a "Cursed" Sword even exists anymore. Also, Zoro is going to turn Enma black, so any Sword he gets after that is going to pale in comparison, Nidai included.

I initially was one of the people who heavily believed Zoro would get Nidai, but that was also because I believed Zoro would give Enma back and regain Shusui, which would give him three Swords by three different creators. But it's pretty much locked in that Zoro is keeping Enma for the long run, and to me it kind of makes it off balanced for Zoro to possess two Swords by one creator, and another Sword by a different creator. Not to mention this goes against the "3's" symbolism that Oda loves.
If Nidai is Ushimaru's then having it makes Zoro carry his will, much like he carries Kuina's and Oden's right now. Plus, the whole thing with fighting Ghandi's Shodai kitetsu EOS.
All of Zoro's blades will turn black so that doesn't harm any of them when Enma turns black.
 
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