Powers & Abilities Zoro's mastered Enma.

[nik87]

As far as we can see, the attack power will decrease.

Why?

 

[Zowo]

As far as we can see, the attack power will decrease.

no it wont decrease because he trained his haki with enma also shusui a black blade same rank as enma

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I think that's what is going to happen. Another Pica situation. I think Oda doesn't want us to know Zoro's full strength. My worry is Zoro is going to get written into a corner again like in Dressrosa. Too strong to do anything.

unpopular opinion: Zoro used close to his full strength against Pica

Sanzen Sekai was Zoro's strongest move outside of asura pre-skip. Hence ISDS, the post skip version of sanzen Sekai, should be similar in that its Zoro's strongest technique outside of post-skip asura.

 

[januarysdaughter]

Did Zoro master Enma or did Enma decide Zoro was worthy of his power? 🤔

 

[CbShadow]

unpopular opinion: Zoro used close to his full strength against Pica

Sanzen Sekai was Zoro's strongest move outside of asura pre-skip. Hence ISDS, the post skip version of sanzen Sekai, should be similar in that its Zoro's strongest technique outside of post-skip asura.

Zoro didn't use anything close to his full strength. That's like saying Luffy fighting in G3 is close to his full strength. Asura mode is his full strength. You must remember that is a mode which means he has separate attacks for that mode.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Zoro didn't use anything close to his full strength. That's like saying Luffy fighting in G3 is close to his full strength. Asura mode is his full strength. You must remember that is a mode which means he has separate attacks for that mode.

pre-skip asura was a 1 move form

We really have no reason to believe that post-skip asura is any different

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

pre-skip asura was a 1 move form

We really have no reason to believe that post-skip asura is any different

Ashura isn't a 1 move form.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Ashura isn't a 1 move form.

two move form, my bad

 

[CbShadow]

pre-skip asura was a 1 move form

We really have no reason to believe that post-skip asura is any different

It's still a mode, besides he developed it doing battle and didn't have time pre time skip to perfect it. He only used it two battles. Twice against Kaku and once against the Pacifista.

 

[Finalbeta]

Ashura isn't a 1 move form.

2020 and they still don't get the basic notion of Asura being a mode.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

2020 and they still don't get the basic notion of Asura being a mode.

I never said it wasn't a mode

just that it is an incredibly limited one. Like pre-skip G3.

also another reason why I presume it still has its pre-skip timelimit is that we never really understood why it had a timelimit in the first place, just that one existed and for some reason Zoro would only use it sparingly when pushed to a corner.

I think Oda's going to develop on that in wano. Show what happens when zoro overuses asura.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

You dont master a sword until a high/extreme diff battle using it.

But Zoro mastered Sandai Kitetsu off screen and Shusui was mastered during the time skip

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Why?

Because With Shuusi he cant cut a clifff with the force he applies while trying to cut down a tree.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

understood why it had a timelimit in the first place

Where was it stated by anyone that Ashura has a time limit?

Zoro's used it twice. Where did you see a time limit being stated

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Because With Shuusi he cant cut a clifff with the force he applies while trying to cut down a tree.

If Zoro uses haki he can.

You are forgetting that what he did wasn't a casual swing. The was huffing and puffing from all the haki the sword was draining from him

That wasn't Zoro's physical force that cut the cliff. It was his haki.

So when Zoro uses the same haki with Shusui he can do the same.

People forget that Zoro's cut things HUNDREDS OF TIMES bigger than that cliff by just swinging his swords with haki back in dressrosa. He casually swang both Sandai and Shusui and was Slicing up ALL OF PICA.

So no, if Zoro used haki on any other sword he would've done the same thing. Enma is special because Zoro DID NOT want to use haki yet the sword forced him to

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

If Zoro uses haki he can.

You are forgetting that what he did wasn't a casual swing. The was huffing and puffing from all the haki the sword was draining from him

That wasn't Zoro's physical force that cut the cliff. It was his haki.

So when Zoro uses the same haki with Shusui he can do the same.

People forget that Zoro's cut things HUNDREDS OF TIMES bigger than that cliff by just swinging his swords with haki back in dressrosa. He casually swang both Sandai and Shusui and was Slicing up ALL OF PICA.

So no, if Zoro used haki on any other sword he would've done the same thing. Enma is special because Zoro DID NOT want to use haki yet the sword forced him to

With Shuusi he can cut the cliff while he is trying to cut the cliff.

With Enma he did cut the clifff while he was just trying to cut the cliff.

He achieved a greater attack power with less power.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

With Shuusi he can cut the cliff while he is trying to cut the cliff.

With Enma he did cut the clifff while he was just trying to cut the cliff.

He achieved a greater attack power with less power.

What are you talking about? Zoro was huffing and puffing from the power that was drained from him

Don't you get it? He was almost knocked out from the sword. How is that "greater attack power from less power"?

Are you implying that the sword CREATED power that Zoro did not have?

 

[BossYimz]

I never said it wasn't a mode

just that it is an incredibly limited one. Like pre-skip G3.

also another reason why I presume it still has its pre-skip timelimit is that we never really understood why it had a timelimit in the first place, just that one existed and for some reason Zoro would only use it sparingly when pushed to a corner.

I think Oda's going to develop on that in wano. Show what happens when zoro overuses asura.

Where did you get the time limit from?
I dont remeber it ever being stated there is a time limit. I also dont remember seeing Zoro suffer any side effects from using asura

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

What are you talking about? Zoro was huffing and puffing from the power that was drained from him

Don't you get it? He was almost knocked out from the sword. How is that "greater attack power from less power"?

Are you implying that the sword CREATED power that Zoro did not have?

Yessss.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Yessss.

But Tenguyama specifically says "This sword forces the user to use extensive amounts of their own haki"

Why should I listen to you and not Tenguyama? Please explain why your reasoning that doesn't exist in the manga is correct and the explanation in the manga is wrong