Powers & Abilities Zoro's mastered Enma.

[Light D Lamperouge]

Yes

Let me just check if we are on the same page regarding this.

Your point was that out of 100 percent of Zoro's haki reserves he could use, I'll throw in some arbitrary numbers, 70 percent. Enma drew on 85 percent of Zoro 100 percent, which Zoro wasn't accustomed to. I.e. it exceeded the limit of what Zoro could do normally, but not on his complete reserve at that time, or he would be dead.

However, due to it's constant tendency to draw out haki, Zoro had to increase his reserves even further, by training with Enma. So now the former 100 percent, let's say it was like 200 haki points, is now 300 haki points, and that is his new 100 percent. Upon mastering the sword he can now tap into all 300 points willingly.

Therefore, in the end it is all due to Zoro's own efforts and training. If that's your point then I agree. I even said that it will boost his COA, allowing for better offense and defense.

With efficiency and control, I meant he will not needlessly waste haki and use the minimum required. For example, if something needs 15 haki points to be cut Zoro will use 15 haki points, not 50.

 

[Robin swan]

Let me just check if we are on the same page regarding this.

Your point was that out of 100 percent of Zoro's haki reserves he could use, I'll throw in some arbitrary numbers, 70 percent. Enma drew on 85 percent of Zoro 100 percent, which Zoro wasn't accustomed to. I.e. it exceeded the limit of what Zoro could do normally, but not on his complete reserve at that time, or he would be dead.

However, due to it's constant tendency to draw out haki, Zoro had to increase his reserves even further, by training with Enma. So now the former 100 percent, let's say it was like 200 haki points, is now 300 haki points, and that is his new 100 percent. Upon mastering the sword he can now tap into all 300 points willingly.

Therefore, in the end it is all due to Zoro's own efforts and training. If that's your point then I agree. I even said that it will boost his COA, allowing for better offense and defense.

With efficiency and control, I meant he will not needlessly waste haki and use the minimum required. For example, if something needs 15 haki points to be cut Zoro will use 15 haki points, not 50.

Pretty much my point. The whole percentage was just based off regular zoro. Enma forces out more of zoro's haki pushing him past his limit. The point isn't just his reserves but also power. Once zoro fully masters enma he gains both making him stronger.

Where i disagreed with your original post i qouted was that enma can't take out more than the users haki which is exactly what it does. There is just a cost in doing so as it isn't like haki bloom where it always that limit to break but you also grow with it. Second was mastering enma wasn't just not having haki drain anymore. Not having it drain haki doesn't make zoro stronger but zoro growing to a point he can control the amount drawn out making his haki stronger is what makes him stronger. In your example it would be like zoro going from 50 haki points as his cap to say 70 without needing a haki bloom fight.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Pretty much my point. The whole percentage was just based off regular zoro.

Where i disagreed with your original post i qouted was that enma can't take out more than the users haki which is exactly what it does.

This is where we misunderstood each other.

I thought you were talking about some haki from another external source, and you thought I was talking about the user's limit of using haki and not his complete reserves at once, i.e Zoro can only use 70 percent of his reserves, but Enma can sap 85 percent of his reserves. Just a misunderstanding.

OK, I am glad we cleared that up.

 

[Robin swan]

This is where we misunderstood each other.

I thought you were talking about some haki from another external source, and you thought I was talking about the user's limit of using haki and not his complete reserves at once, i.e Zoro can only use 70 percent of his reserves, but Enma can sap 85 percent of his reserves. Just a misunderstanding.

OK, I am glad we cleared that up.

Yea my bad

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

God, the same people who say that Zoro has Enma so he should kill Kaido at the same time say that Enma isn't a power up, if Enma isn't a power up then how is he going to kill Kaido?

Cutting Kaido with Enma would be more of symbolism than actual power showing, due to his connection to previous owner. Im not saying it will or should happen, but if it does, its not because Zoro is Kaido level suddenly

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

With Shuusi he can cut the cliff while he is trying to cut the cliff.

With Enma he did cut the clifff while he was just trying to cut the cliff.

He achieved a greater attack power with less power.

But thats exactly the issue. He just got Enma, he tried to cut a tree, but cut the cliff off because he had little to no control of it. Once he attempts to cut the tree and cuts only the tree, that would mean he got stronger/improved his control of the sword. So the problem is his mastery and haki control. And no, if he tried a full power attack, it wouldnt have the same tree/cliff effect. The sword is draining his haki, so the maximum attack he can produce is how much ever haki he can release at once, which is the same with any sword, so his 'stats' dont get better by just holding the sword. The 'power up' comes with training, because Enma will constantly drain his haki and force him to improve it by mastering the sword. Once he masters Enma, he will be stronger than before, but he would remain on that level of strength even if he replaces Enma with a sword of the same grade that doesent drain his haki.

In short, Its a haki training tool, not a sword thats stronger than the other swords of the same grade.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Why did this thread turn into "is enma a power up?".
It was stated by zoro that it was. No need to debate on semantics forever.
We know he's strong, but we don't need to stretch logic every time we talk about zoro just to overwank him.

 

[nik87]

Why did this thread turn into "is enma a power up?".
It was stated by zoro that it was. No need to debate on semantics forever.
We know he's strong, but we don't need to stretch logic every time we talk about zoro just to overwank him.

It was stated by Zoro that it wasnt a power-up and you and couple of others claim otherwise, that's why we are still debating it.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

It was stated by Zoro that it wasnt a power-up and you and couple of others claim otherwise, that's why we are still debating it.

Oh ok so we debate about semantics then. Fine, then I think it's going to last forever