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Posttime skip these past 2 chapters literally prove post time skip rivalry was more of a gag if it was not Oda would have put Sanji on the roof.
Or Zoro always was the First Mate, and the First Mate is the one supporting the Captain on the roof.

Zoro was always one step ahead of Sanji.

Sanji was basically the MC of WCI, of course that's not going to continue in Wano and steal the show from Zoro in an arc where he is meant to shine more.
 
And Zoro is? Who recently barely won against Killer :milaugh:
Barley?
:choppawhat:

Zoro dropped Killer the second he used a name technique. That was while using a scythe as replacement for one of his swords.

When a manga mentions their fight Killer stated he would have won if you would have had his punisher blades yet Zoro said it would have been the same regardless. Meaning, 2 sword Zoro would have still beat Killer. He would not have needed his third sword.
 
Hey hey hey!!
If OLD rayleigh is already extending to an extreme diffs with kizaru's win, and Benn beckman loses high diffs to kizaru.

As a big difference (extreme by rayleigh), and a HIGH difference (by benn beckman), together become big differences for kizaru?

It would be MID DIFF in KIZARU.
They would defeat kizaru in low difficulty.

If individually both are already good enough to push an extreme and high difference.

the two added together massacre kizaru.

Kizaru fails to push this to high diffs.
Perhaps I am underrating Rayleigh.
He can probably give Kaido a high diff fight who knows.
 
In terms of just sheer durability/endurance, I have a really hard time imagining anyone in the series, dead or alive, surpassing Kaido.
Kaido almost die by Oden look

This are the Characters who can Possibly have the Same Durability or Higher than Kaido

CP0 Lucci if he become Stronger in Timeskip/Two Years and Fight a Post Wano Luffy

Vegapunk Strongest Invention / Strongest Robot

Elbaf Strongest Warrior or Elbaf Main Villain in Elbaf Arc(Need to see a Real Warrior)

Admiral GreenBull (Bison are known of their Durability /Defense / Tank

Whitebeard Son Edward Weeble (he look like he's too stupid to die or too stupid to give up)

Douglas Bullet (His Power Rival Silvers Rayleigh who is Roger First Mate and have Oden himself is a King of Pirates Member) (Fight 9 Supernovas, Marines and The Alliance between Luffy,Law,Hancock,Smoker,Sabo,Crocodile and Usopp)

CP0 Leader (Post Wano Characters will be Stronger for sure)

Fleet Admiral Sakazuki with his Absolute Justice/Terminator Will (tank Whitebeard attacks ,fight All Whitebeard + Crocodile and The 10 Days Fight against another Admiral help alot)

Yonko Charlotte Linlin/Big Mom (Can't damage her) better than Kaido in defense. Need to break a picture to weakening her and didn't do shit

Prime Shiki The Golden Lion who fought The Roger Pirates (when Oden is in the Crew at that time ) and Fought alone against Prime Garp and Prime Sengoku

Post Wano Movie Villains(Hype Movie Main Villains to sell tickets )

Marshall D. Teach/Yonko Blackbeard Will of D style

Yonko Red Hair Shanks with his Strong Will

The Marine Hero Monkey D.Garp with his Strong Will and Will of D

Revolutionary Leader Luffy Father Monkey D.Dragon and Will of D

Young Edward/Newgate Whitebeard and Old Sick (he tank Admirals Attacks and die Standing ) Don't think Kaido will die like Standing like Whitebeard

King of Pirates Gol D.Roger thanks to his Will of D

Captain Rocks D.Xebec(Roger Strongest Rival, Roger and Prime Garp to beat him Kaido PTSD, Captain of Whitebeard, Kaido, Big Mom Shiki and Other Legendary Pirates

Gorosei if they Strong (Post Rafter Arc/Final War) and become Young thanks to Bonney

IM Sama

EOS Vinsmoke Sanji

EOS Roronoa Zoro

EOS Koby

EOS Eustass Kid

EOS Monkey.D Luffy
 
Well he must have it otherwise why should Luffy be compared to him the Luffy who has internal destruction that hurt him and not many people can do that an Oden appears its like counting 1 and 1


:luffylaugh::luffylaugh::luffylaugh::luffylaugh:

Pica and Vergo are also potrayed equal both are seat holders
Vergo cracked his leg
Zoro cracked Pica
Zoro>>Sanji
If he had it he wouldn't have died in chains.
There is no proof Oden had it. The scabbards using barrier ryuo were said to be using Oden's ryuo.

Vergo>=Pica, Vergo was the one Doflamingo respected the most. You want to claim they are equal by crew hierarchy but refuse to accept Sanji as Luffy's 3rd in command monster trio member despite all the evidence throughout the years. your bias is showing.

Sanji achieved his goal of saving the marines and exposing Vergo while in a nerfed state from the explosion, Vergo BTFO'd Smoker who had been Luffy's superior rival until that arc and was used as a Law hypetool.

Zoro highlight of the arc was getting BTFO'd by the yeti cool brothers.
 
Every single time a new chapter comes out you guys try to kill S and Z rivalry. I get it's Zoro fans greatest dream, but since Sanji is just being Sanji offpanel, couldn't you talk about Zoro's awesome feats?
Like cutting fire... again? Or being noticed by Kaido just because he is wielding Enma? Or doing what the scabbards except Kiku already did?

See, a lot to talk about while the emperors are basically standing launching useless elemental attack :kayneshrug:
This conversation and debate has been going on the past 100 pages, and it's been a 2 sided affair, etc so i am continuing the convo. We can talk about feats but what have sanji fans done last 3 chapters, literally done everything possible to downplay Zoro i mean everything so when you see the Zboiiiiis clap back you understand this is primarily the reason why. Z fans did do this when Sanji fought King in 991.

Ex a post was made literally saying "Zoro was the only one to not hurt Kaido" and it goes on and on. To my next point about the rivalry

Why is Sanji currently not on the roof, any fan here would think if their rivalry powered one another Oda would have put Sanji on the roof as well.

These last 3 chapters is literally proving the point at this moment in time that the rivalry post time skip was more of a gag rivalry and not about character strength. I stand by that the rivalry posttime skip has been more of a gag than a powergrab
 
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KAIDO D. STRONGER

@KAIDO D. STRONGER Thing is Law, Kidd and Killer are no where near Benn Beckman let alone Old Rayleigh and Big Mom is also helping Kaido.


Old Rayleigh can probably beat Law, Kidd and Killer by himself. So at best they are there to give Luffy and Zoro minor support, they are not gonna do anything significant themselves.
Well, it depends.
For example, kidd, even though he cannot mortally wound KAIDO, he can unbalance the kaido base and create an opening for others to attack.
LAW in the same way, and can help you with your ROOM.
So all of that is included and it impacts the fight, it's not 1x2 at the end of the day.
 
Or Zoro always was the First Mate, and the First Mate is the one supporting the Captain on the roof.

Zoro was always one step ahead of Sanji.

Sanji was basically the MC of WCI, of course that's not going to continue in Wano and steal the show from Zoro in an arc where he is meant to shine more.
It is why I call post time skip rivalry a gag because both their feats have literally 0 parallel to one another
 
What's Killer importance in this fight again? Or in the story at all other than being Kidd's VC
I'm genuinely asking?
There are characters downstairs that deserve to be there more than him

All this makes me sure of a second round with different members joining the fight later on when they gonna be on the verge of defeat
He takes a BM attack. Ya need to stop with the Killer disrespect
 
Barley?
:choppawhat:

Zoro dropped Killer the second he used a name technique. That was while using a scythe as replacement for one of his swords.

When a manga mentions their fight Killer stated he would have won if you would have had his punisher blades yet Zoro said it would have been the same regardless. Meaning, 2 sword Zoro would have still beat Killer. He would not have needed his third sword.
Okay, he beat Killer the strongest SN
And he recently beat Apoo too who is pirate King level I'll give you that :optimistic:
 
Drake Hawkins Apoo
Yeah they are worst generation too
They are, but they have different paths from Killer
- Drake has his own mission, that's why I put him on a different 'category' when compared to other SNs. His rank doesn't necessary indicates his strenght and I can see him fighting Commanders (personally), but as of now he has no business with Kaido since he took responsability for the Live Floor (which is still a big deal). He submitted for his own reasons and not for survival.
- Apoo and Hawkins, as much as I like them, have not the same guts of the 5 on the roof even if they are strong. Apoo was an informant from the start, he literally snitched Kidd Alliance and fought both Luffy, Zoro and Drake too so he'll not be accepted as an ally. Hawkins on the other hand trusted his cards only and decided to submit, he had beefs with Law and Zoro too (Zoro compares Drake to Hawkins in their first clash).
All of them can still go to the roof for different reasons but they'll still not be like the first 5.

Talking about why Killer is there: he sides with Kidd and, just like him, decided to fight till the end instead of submitting. He only '''''submitted'''' when Kidd life was blackmailed, and this makes him just a more valuable character (is really similar to what Zoro did for Luffy in Thriller Bark). He's also setting a 'parallelism' with Zoro seen their role in the crew (first mate and combatant) and their fight/interactions.
Killer presence fits perfectly and Oda built it well, he'll surprise all of you even more in the future.
:myman:

I'm leaving aside all the shit his crew passed cause of Kaido/Orochi
 
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