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said the same thing about Oden as well kido

can Zoro do the same thing without Enma and his other swords? or Shusui?

ONLY then ALL THE CREDIT would go to Zoro
  • Zoro might have been able to do it with Shusui.
  • He probably can't do it with Wado.


Zoro solos tbh
Zoro was the one who is neutralizing every attack and Kaido shitting his pants from Zoro

Zoro >= Dragon Kaido >= Luffy based on chapter
Based, I can see it TBH.


Dragon Kaido ... is a punch bag ... anyway ...

saying they can comfortably do this is not fair

but both of them CAN damage Kaido in Dragon from
Nah, this chapter confirmed that Dragon!Kaido can't tank Zoro's upper tier techniques. Zoro's top Ittoryu technique terrified Big Mom and Dragon!Kaido had to dodge it. Imagine what Zoro's top Santoryu techniques could do.

Dragon!Kaido has no ability to harm them. Zoro can neutralise his main offense (his flames and Wind Blades) with zero effort. How does he deal damage to them?

Medium difficulty is me being generous and assuming that Zoro doesn't just oneshot him with any of the following techniques:
  • Shi ShiShi Sonson
  • Hiryuu Kaen
  • Nigori-Zake
  • 1080 Pound Cannon
  • Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai

Honestly, I'm seeing @ShishioIsBack's point. Either Luffy or Zoro alone might be enough.

Luffy could easily dodge the Wind Blades and could tank Boro Breath. He probably deals more damage to Dragon!Kaido than vice versa. Luffy might be able to extreme diff Dragon!Kaido if his stamina holds up.

Zoro clearly solos, Kaido is literally unable to harm Zoro. And Zoro can massively fuck him over with any of his upper tier techniques.

That said, it's a matchup advantage issue. Zoro neutralised Dragon!Kaido's entire offensive arsenal.

@ShishioIsBack I agree; Zoro solos Dragon!Kaido.
 
She did not show any FS on WCI and was reliant on Katakuris CoO.
Because it would do significant damage to him and because it was a slow attack he should dodge rather than try to counter or tank. Not because it would OHKO him...
There is nothing about FS here. Big Mom sized up Zoro's strength/weaponry/abilities. Rayleigh was able to do that at Ruskaina immediately. Yet, you're telling me a hardened Veteran Emperor like Big Mom can't do that?

Mind you Roger Pirates didn't want smoke with her.
 
Love how @Erkan12 shits his pants when I am around and doesn't even respond yet in his boot leg (Self wank) cRyIng 6 he was telling me I am scared he will debunk my argument against.

Man is shook as @Blackbeard pointed out once, he is too scared to even engage me
:milaugh::milaugh:
I still remember he kept running his mouth in the Shanks VS Mihawk thread no matter how many times you debunk him, but as soon as you Navy Seal memed him, there's not a peep out of him.
 
I love Zoro fandom, because they really make me laugh :milaugh: I am sure its same for @Chaves @Doggo @Lukegranders

They say Nami was doing the same thing as Law in here. :suresure:

Nami was literally just throwing water at Luffy's target. If throwing water means nothing for a specific opponent then Nami would be completely useless in any fight.

Law however helps Zoro because Zoro can't move fast and his attacking range is not good enough. This applies to any target that they can face. Its not a special situation like throwing water, :milaugh:

While this is entirely about Zoro's lack of speed and lack of long range. Zoro falls short, even Raid suitless Sanji wouldn't need Law in here.

Zoro fandom really loves to take Ls. :steef:
 
At least Oda is being consistent with power levels

Luffy and Zoro >>> Law and Kidd and this and last chapter (Especially this chapter) reflects it.
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also
@Erkan12 is still crying
Kidd and law haven't hurt Kaido so far. We know that Luffy and Zoro can (kaido had to dodge an attack for the first time).

I really can't understand how people can group luffy and Zoro with the other fodders.
Law, Kidd and Killer (who is doing better than these clowns) are just jokes rn, Luffy alone can beat them.
 
Kidd and law haven't hurt Kaido so far. We know that Luffy and Zoro can (kaido had to dodge an attack for the first time).

I really can't understand how people can group luffy and Zoro with the other fodders.
Law, Kidd and Killer (who is doing better than these clowns) are just jokes rn, Luffy alone can beat them.
Zoro solos the clowns for Ashura too, one head for each clown.

Tho Killer is not the clown and would be greatest challenge

Zoro = Luffy >>>> Killer > Law > Scarp Metal Kidd
 
He can pull G5, G6 for all I care, nothing will change.
Then I'm glad you do not care about.

Just like people expected ID to do wonders, new gears wont do them either.
Wdym, Luffy's ID clearly allows him to injure Kaido. He just lacks the strength to injure him for good, which can be solved with G4th attack mode or something like that.

No.

Kaido is feeling his attacks despite Kidd performing the worst of the 5.
That's no argument; Kaido screamed as well when Law hit him with mere rocks.

He literally felt nothing from Luffy back then.
And he is not feeling it from Kidd as well.
As I said, this is also irrelevant because he sure has something to injure Kaido.

G3 moved Kaido from the sky to the ground and topped him over, that's nothing.
I agree.

Kidd slamming Kaido between fists did something.
No, it didn't.

Did Kidd drew blood from Kaido or why do you think Kidd slamming Kaido between his fists did something?

Once Zoro opens Kaido up, he will be able to deal damage by targetting the wound.
Kidd doesn't even have to wait for that since technically he can gain certain abilities from his magnetism which would allows him to bypass Kaido's skin.

His offense is performing badly despite skipping the hard exterior.
Of course his offense is performing badly. That ain't nothing new.
We're talking about the same dude who just took a GK in his belly and was still fine. You know, the technique which almost killed Doflamingo, one of the strongest high tiers?

Tanking the Borobreath, which is complete BS btw, doesnt do anything for his offense.
Of course it does something for his offense; it proves that Bound Man's durability + barrier haki is already powerful enough to no sell Kaido's boro breath. Bound Man's offense is even stronger than his defense, that's a fact - due to the tensile force.
We can literally see how Bound Man punched Dragon Kaido a few meters away with Kong Rifle and drew good amount of blood from the latter. The only issue is the fact that it's still superficial.

All of that without considering a possible G4th attack mode or even G5.

Why is tanking the borobreath complete BS? Base Luffy, despite barely avoiding the full hit, still took a Thunder Bagua and he still was perfectly fine.

His seastone training pushed his physicals drastically. He was literally restrained 24/7 and still trained effectively with it. It's like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in DBZ.
Hence that's the only logical conclusion why Luffy can tank Kaido's attacks now. Also, barrier haki is still a thing as well.

Looks like the finest babysitting by Oda himself while just moments ago was knocked out from Prometheus' spit...
Be careful, if you keep crying about Oda babysitting Luffy, you could end up replacing Master of Haki from the Crying 6. :yasu:

Or you could have listened to logic and wouldnt need to wait for the manga?
I always listen to logic but the thing is... Logic and you is like oil and water, that does not fit at all.
 
I love Zoro fandom, because they really make me laugh :milaugh: I am sure its same for @Chaves @Doggo @Lukegranders

They say Nami was doing the same thing as Law in here. :suresure:

Nami was literally just throwing water at Luffy's target. If throwing water means nothing for a specific opponent then Nami would be completely useless in any fight.

Law however helps Zoro because Zoro can't move fast and his attacking range is not good enough. This applies to any target that they can face. Its not a special situation like throwing water, :milaugh:

While this is entirely about Zoro's lack of speed and lack of long range. Zoro falls short, even Raid suitless Sanji wouldn't neeed Law in here.

Zoro fandom loves to take Ls. :steef:
Luffy needed Nami's help because he's not fast and strong enough against the Biscuit Soldiers.
 
It first started with Kaido seeing an image of Oden, then wondering why it felt familiar.

Then, in 992, Kaido was confused as to how they could hurt him. The source wasn't Oden's haki, it was the Scabbards learning haki.
There's a difference between Haki/Ryou and Oden's ryou. It's as if you're implying that Kaido will be surprised by mere Haki/ryou.
The key word there was Oden not ryou. Kaido was surprised that time because he sensed Oden's ryou specifically.
 
I love Zoro fandom, because they really make me laugh :milaugh: I am sure its same for @Chaves @Doggo @Lukegranders

They say Nami was doing the same thing as Law in here. :suresure:

Nami was literally just throwing water at Luffy's target. If throwing water means nothing for a specific opponent then Nami would be completely useless in any fight.

Law however helps Zoro because Zoro can't move fast and his attacking range is not good enough. This applies to any target that they can face. Its not a special situation like throwing water, :milaugh:

While this is entirely about Zoro's lack of speed and lack of long range. Zoro falls short, even Raid suitless Sanji wouldn't need Law in here.

Zoro fandom really loves to take Ls. :steef:
Bro lets bre real,
You ain't laughing
Are you crying

We all know that.

Rest of the post I am not gonna read but don't lie about laughing.
 

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World's Strongest Swordsman
I love Zoro fandom, because they really make me laugh :milaugh: I am sure its same for @Chaves @Doggo @Lukegranders

They say Nami was doing the same thing as Law in here. :suresure:

Nami was literally just throwing water at Luffy's target. If throwing water means nothing for a specific opponent then Nami would be completely useless in any fight.

Law however helps Zoro because Zoro can't move fast and his attacking range is not good enough. This applies to any target that they can face. Its not a special situation like throwing water, :milaugh:

While this is entirely about Zoro's lack of speed and lack of long range. Zoro falls short, even Raid suitless Sanji wouldn't neeed Law in here.

Zoro fandom loves to take Ls. :steef:
nami literally took crackers defence away
made the biscuits edible so luffy could use tankman and win

zoro didnt need law to do that slash look how far it traveled to cut the horn
he used law to cut borobreath
 

Cinera

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Luffy alone can beat Dragon form kaido from what he's shown so far.
Can't tag Luffy with air blades, can't properly damage him with boro breath.
More will be revealed in a years time anyway.
I think Luffy might be able to extreme diff Dragon!Kaido if his stamina holds up, but:
  • Luffy hasn't dealt much damage to Kaido with any of his attacks either.
  • Boro Breath still hurt Luffy visibly despite him tanking it.
    • Boro Breath seems to have dealt more damage than Kong Rifle.
Luffy vs Dragon!Kaido comes to a battle of attrition and I don't like Luffy's chances there because of stamina issues.

Zoro shuts down Dragon!Kaido's entire offensive arsenal, and can bring him down quickly using his Upper Tier techniques. Dragon!Kaido literally has no hope of beating Zoro.


The question then becomes what sort attack luffy can get on him so Zoro can give him power up slash .
Kong Gatling should disorient Dragon!Kaido enough for Zoro to land Hiryuu Kaen or any of his other Upper Tier techniques. It's all downhill for Dragon!Kaido from there.
 
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