Powers & Abilities How much nerfed Killer was when he fought Zoro compared to Zoro ?
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all hes power seems to be coming from hes blades, all named attacks even the ones able to damage Kaido?... do you honestlly see nerfed killer demaging Kaido? zoro only had hes shusui missing but got third blade, and was poisoned by food.... Killer was insane and going crazy from all the shit happening and didint have hes main weapon, that he knows how to use best... punishers is like 50 % of all hes skills and power... take an enma away from zoro, and there wouldnt be no Kaido demaging attack from hem even now
Killer wasn't "insane" ... you do realize he's been going after other Samurai and killing them - based on who Orochi deemed a threat right.
If Killer is taking out samurai then he's fine - I'm not saying he isn't nerfed but Zoro was in a worse state.
I think people underestimate what Zoro went through to confirm their agenda.
He wasn't just poisoned alot of people need to go back and re-read Wano from the beginning.
* Problem here is you believe Enma to be a magic sword *
- The sword steals haki (literally that's it - until more is specified)
- Zoro with Shusui is pulling the same feats he's doing now (Enma is the same grade as Shusui)
- Go back and re-read Zoro vs Nyban Brothers (he states there is a big difference when he fights with 1, 2, 3 swords ... its like a tier difference)
If Killer is taking out samurai then he's fine - I'm not saying he isn't nerfed but Zoro was in a worse state.
I think people underestimate what Zoro went through to confirm their agenda.
He wasn't just poisoned alot of people need to go back and re-read Wano from the beginning.
He ate poisonous food at the beginning of meeting Luffy, then Luffy warns him, then he stops eating altogether cause there is no food in Wano besides in the capital - he's suffering from malnourishment.
- The sword steals haki (literally that's it - until more is specified)
- Zoro with Shusui is pulling the same feats he's doing now (Enma is the same grade as Shusui)
- Go back and re-read Zoro vs Nyban Brothers (he states there is a big difference when he fights with 1, 2, 3 swords ... its like a tier difference)
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malnourished lolIf he wasn't stabbed, he wouldn't feel dizzy and faint
Zoro wasn't more nerfed or nerfed as Killer
Killer couldn't use sound named attacks nor haki
Had random scythes
Whole zoro missed only one blade but made up for it by stealing Killer's scythe
There was no "dizzy" from Zoro just his stomach gurgling that's it - why couldn't he use Haki ??
So Killer is missing his spinning blades from doing sound attacks Zoro is missing Shusui to perform 1080p which is capable of cutting a mountain but meh tomato, tomahto.
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Killer fights with 2 scythes.
Besides them spinning what else is he missing ?
This right here ... says it all how much of a zoroboi you are... without enma zoro wouldnt even be able to scratch Kaido.... killer on the other hand, no ''-this is not ordinary sword'' was able to demage Kaido.... I dont know if we are reading same manga anymore 
But lets see if we can reach a middle ground.
So what leads you to believe that Enma is a better sword than Shusui ?
Enma allows zoro to use more of hes ryou than he would normally be able to do, being both blessing and a curse... I allways said enma is power up, zoro said it himself , this chapter BM and Kaido confirmed this... But I never said its on same level as RS. in my eyes enma is way more badass power up becouse it needs to be tamed not to drain too much of users Haki... unlike RS that sanji can use right away
we didint even see Kaido dodge... so until proven otherwise, Zolo missed 
our boi hasnt tamed that enma yet it seems 
our boi hasnt tamed that enma yet it seems
But saying that Zoro was more nerfed than Killer in Ringo was already ridicolus at the time, now is a sad joke.
Apparently losing one sword is more of a nerf than losing your main weapons and bad mental state. And what's worse is that Zoro uses Kamazou's scythe as a substitute for his missing third sword while Kamazou only have one scythe and yet they both knocked each others out. If Kamazou have Punishers back then then he would probably win against Zoro.
Debate me on it.
That was never stated though ... Enma doesn't have a limit breaker on haki, it simply takes more than necessary from the user.
I agree its a power-up but its more like weights if you constantly lift 50lbs eventually you'll adjust and you'll need heavier weights, the sword is helping Zoro manage his Haki otherwise the Sword is a hindrance.
That was never stated though ... Enma doesn't have a limit breaker on haki, it simply takes more than necessary from the user.
I agree its a power-up but its more like weights if you constantly lift 50lbs eventually you'll adjust and you'll need heavier weights, the sword is helping Zoro manage his Haki otherwise the Sword is a hindrance.