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Is Oden's haki inside Enma?


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Cinera

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#64
or it is something else that made Big Mom react to it? :blush:
Big Mom was reacting to the power behind the attack.

While preparing the attack, we see Zoro's haki overflow through his sword by an insane amount:


Contrast this with the overflowing haki we see from Primebeard and Roger:


Zoro's haki was overflowing to an even greater degree than either of them.


After Zoro launches it, she chastises Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro:
 
#65
Big Mom was reacting to the power behind the attack.

While preparing the attack, we see Zoro's haki overflow through his sword by an insane amount:


Contrast this with the overflowing haki we see from Primebeard and Roger:


Zoro's haki was overflowing to an even greater degree than either of them.


After Zoro launches it, she chastises Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro:
Isn't that fire? :willsmith:
 
#67
Big Mom was reacting to the power behind the attack.

While preparing the attack, we see Zoro's haki overflow through his sword by an insane amount:


Contrast this with the overflowing haki we see from Primebeard and Roger:


Zoro's haki was overflowing to an even greater degree than either of them.


After Zoro launches it, she chastises Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro:
Oh come on, the sword is distinctively mentioned.

Why do you guys have this tendency to want to push away from Enma whenever the story explicitely focuses on it ?

Also Roger and Whitebeard's auras look the same, dark as their blades pretty much, while Zoro's thing looks much more light in comparison.

We've seen Zoro flowing small bits of Haki as dark as the one from Roger and Whitebeard, so this aura which looks way less dense might be something else.
 

Cinera

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#68
Zoro was restraining Enma in 1001, as he admitted. It wasn't even hardened.
No, Zoro was restraining himself from channelling his Ryuo. He relaxed those restraints more in this chapter.


This would have been easily solved if Oda referenced Zoro and said, "that guy is not a normal swordsman" same thing with Kaido.
Give Shusui to Zoro instead of Enma and he wouldn't do shit to Kaido. Whether Enma has Oden's haki/will or not, Kaido was afraid of Enma, not Zoro.:kayneshrug:
Mama chastises Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro:


Nope, it's haki:
  • Enma doesn't have flame properties.
    • This has never been said or suggested
    • Enma's only property is to force its wielder to excessively release ryuo:
  • It's shaded far too darkly to be fire.
    • This is how Oda draws Zoro's swords on fire:
  • Hiryuu is a technique Zoro used pretimeskip and there was no fire then:
  • While Zoro is preparing the attack, we see ryuo gather around his sword:

It's pretty clearly haki, fire on Zoro's swords aren't shaded that darkly, and the technique doesn't produce fire (the wound ignites itself). Alternatively, Zoro somehow imbued fire with hardening, but as I said, the technique doesn't produce fire.

Furthermore, Zoro using an absurd amount of haki explains why he was tired after the attack:
 
#69
Oh come on, the sword is distinctively mentioned.

Why do you guys have this tendency to want to push away from Enma whenever the story explicitely focuses on it ?

Also Roger and Whitebeard's auras look the same, dark as their blades pretty much, while Zoro's thing looks much more light in comparison.

We've seen Zoro flowing small bits of Haki as dark as the one from Roger and Whitebeard, so this aura which looks way less dense might be something else.
odens haki is not in the blade . Kawamatsu said swordman spirits linger in the sowrds after they die . Learn how to read
 

Cinera

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#76
Oh come on, the sword is distinctively mentioned.

Why do you guys have this tendency to want to push away from Enma whenever the story explicitely focuses on it ?
Did I say Enma was not a factor?
:choppawhat:

I have said that I don't think Zoro could have pulled off such a powerful Hiryuu Kaen with Wado Ichimonji.

Zoro has used Enma twice already this battle:
  • His Rengoku Oni Giri that struck Kaido
  • Deflecting Kaido's Destructive Wind

Neither Big Mom nor Kaido noticed the blade then, but when Zoro overflows his haki through it in preparation for an attack, they notice Enma.

The simplest explanation was that it was the power being coursed through Enma that alerted Big Mom. Supporting this is Mama chastising Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro after he launches the attack:
 

Cinera

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#78
@Cinera

Remember that Ryuma looked like he was on fire after taking the pre time skip version of this attack from Zoro



Make of that what you will. I'm not sure how this works yet myself so i'd rather not make wild speculations.
Can't you see how the fire consuming Ryuma is shaded in much lighter colours?
:choppawhat:

Anyway, here's my explanation for why I think it's haki:
it's haki:
  • Enma doesn't have flame properties.
    • This has never been said or suggested
    • Enma's only property is to force its wielder to excessively release ryuo:
  • It's shaded far too darkly to be fire.
    • This is how Oda draws Zoro's swords on fire:
  • Hiryuu is a technique Zoro used pretimeskip and there was no fire then:
  • While Zoro is preparing the attack, we see ryuo gather around his sword:

It's pretty clearly haki, fire on Zoro's swords aren't shaded that darkly, and the technique doesn't produce fire (the wound ignites itself). Alternatively, Zoro somehow imbued fire with hardening, but as I said, the technique doesn't produce fire.

Furthermore, Zoro using an absurd amount of haki explains why he was tired after the attack:
Reasons it's haki:
  • We see Ryuo gather on Zoro's swords before the attack
  • It is shaded far too darkly to be mere flames.
  • Zoro's sword is hardened
  • The attack greatly taxes Zoro's stamina, consistent with his first use of Enma where he released excessive amounts of Ryuo.

It might be haki then, it's clearly different from the advanced one Roger and WB used tho.
Zoro wasting haki seems more reasonable
I think that it may be fire imbued with overflowing hardening (hence why it's black).

There's no indication that Zoro "wasted" haki. Channeling his haki through the swords is what made the attack so powerful.
 
#79
Did I say Enma was not a factor?
:choppawhat:

I have said that I don't think Zoro could have pulled off such a powerful Hiryuu Kaen with Wado Ichimonji.

Zoro has used Enma twice already this battle:
  • His Rengoku Oni Giri that struck Kaido
  • Deflecting Kaido's Destructive Wind

Neither Big Mom nor Kaido noticed the blade then, but when Zoro overflows his haki through it in preparation for an attack, they notice Enma.

The simplest explanation was that it was the power being coursed through Enma that alerted Big Mom. Supporting this is Mama chastising Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro after he launches the attack:
The difference is that now Zoro "unleashed Enma" more.

He was restraining Enma, so they did not notice it back then.

I'm honestly not 100% sure exactly what the implications of that are now. I thought it might be just how Enma uses Zoro's Haki, now i don't know what to say, so i'd rather not make wild guesses.

I've seen multiple translations from that one panel, so i'll wait for the VIZ to see what's up with it and why people have different take. Regardless, even as posted here it doesn't really change things.

For example, let's say you think someone has a pistol but in fact he's using a rifle. You can say you underestimated him, because you looked down on the weapon at his disposal.
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Can't you see how the fire consuming Ryuma is shaded in much lighter colours?
:choppawhat:

Anyway, here's my explanation for why I think it's haki:


Reasons it's haki:
  • We see Ryuo gather on Zoro's swords before the attack
  • It is shaded far too darkly to be mere flames.
  • Zoro's sword is hardened
  • The attack greatly taxes Zoro's stamina, consistent with his first use of Enma where he released excessive amounts of Ryuo.


I think that it may be fire imbued with overflowing hardening (hence why it's black).

There's no indication that Zoro "wasted" haki. Channeling his haki through the swords is what made the attack so powerful.
It's not really much darker. It's darker, but closer to that than the pitch black Haki used by Roger or Whitebeard. And we've seen Zoro also use similar pitch black Haki flowing over his blade in smal amounts.

 
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