Powers & Abilities Is Oden's haki inside Enma?

[Cinera]

The difference is that now Zoro "unleashed Enma" more.

He was restraining Enma, so they did not notice it back then.

I'm honestly not 100% sure exactly what the implications of that are now. I thought it might be just how Enma uses Zoro's Haki, now i don't know what to say, so i'd rather not make wild guesses.

He was restraining his haki too much (why he didn't use hardening last chapter), but we see him start this chapter with hardening. Even then, neither Mama nor Kaido noticed Enma until Hiryuu Kaen.

It's not really much darker. It's darker, but closer to that than the pitch black Haki used by Roger or Whitebeard. And we've seen Zoro also use similar pitch black Haki flowing over his blade in smal amounts.

It's probably fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening. It's too dark to be ordinary fire and it's not as pitch black as pure haki.

I've seen multiple translations from that one panel, so i'll wait for the VIZ to see what's up with it and why people have different take. Regardless, even as posted here it doesn't really change things.

For example, let's say you think someone has a pistol but in fact he's using a rifle. You can say you underestimated him, because you looked down on the weapon at his disposal.

This doesn't seem like a natural conclusion, but I'm fine with waiting for the Viz.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

He was restraining his haki too much (why he didn't use hardening last chapter), but we see him start this chapter with hardening. Even then, neither Mama nor Kaido noticed Enma until Hiryuu Kaen.


It's probably fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening. It's too dark to be ordinary fire and it's not as pitch black as pure haki.


This doesn't seem like a natural conclusion, but I'm fine with waiting for the Viz.

I definitely think Haki plays a role, you know how i thought Enma works. Beyond that there's some weird stuff going on that i can't put my finger on, and it doesn't make sense to attempt to speculate in one way or another until i get more information to work with.

Do you think this fire and stuff like Hell Memories or even post time skip DJ share some similarities ? After Sanji obtained Haki he stopped spinning to get DJ up, and Hell Memories obviously never worked based on friction.

Even Ashura might end up being explained alongside all of this stuff based on some concepts that Oda has yet to give proper exposition on.

 

[Rekien]

No, a part of his essence as a swordman might be but why would anyone think Enma can literaly store haki? thats utterly nonsense.

 

[Raughtale]

I believe Enma is close to becoming a Black Blade, such blades are likely crafted with haki and swordsmen using them but the haki or will blades store isn't something that can harm DF users but something that reforges the blade stronger.

 

[Cinera]

Even Ashura might end up being explained alongside all of this stuff based on some concepts that Oda has yet to give proper exposition on.

Oda didn't give us an explanation of Killer's Sonic Scythe and he hasn't given us an explanation of Diable Jambe; I'm not feeling confident we'll get an explanation of Asura. If there are multiple stages to Asura or Zoro trained it specially with Mihawk, we might get more exposition in a flashback. If it's just a stronger version of preskip Asura, we may not be so lucky.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Oda didn't give us an explanation of Killer's Sonic Scythe and he hasn't given us an explanation of Diable Jambe; I'm not feeling confident we'll get an explanation of Asura. If there are multiple stages to Asura or Zoro trained it specially with Mihawk, we might get more exposition in a flashback. If it's just a stronger version of preskip Asura, we may not be so lucky.

I mean that the nature of all of these abilities might be explained at once, through some concept that has yet to be developed by Oda.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Big Mom was reacting to the power behind the attack.

While preparing the attack, we see Zoro's haki overflow through his sword by an insane amount:

Contrast this with the overflowing haki we see from Primebeard and Roger:

Zoro's haki was overflowing to an even greater degree than either of them.


After Zoro launches it, she chastises Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro:

Spoiler

That's not haki my guy. It's flames.

 

[HA001]

That's not haki my guy. It's flames.

Since when could zoro flow flames out of his arm ?

 

[Cinera]

That's not haki my guy. It's flames.

It's either haki alone or flames imbued with haki:

• We see Zoro's sword hardened during the attack:
  
  
• It's shaded far too darkly to be fire.
  • This is how Oda draws Zoro's swords on fire:
    
    
  • This is how Oda drew Kinemon's sword on fire:
    
  • Contrast this with how Oda drew the flames adorning Zoro's sword when he prepares Hiryuu Kaen:
    
    
• The flames produced by Hiryuu Kaen are much lighter in colour:
  
• While Zoro is preparing the attack, we see ryuo gather around his sword:
  
  

While it does look like fire, if has been shaded far too darkly compared to how Oda ordinarily draws fire swords (or draws the flames produced by Hiryuu Kaen), for it to be ordinary fire. I think what we are seeing is fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening.

Furthermore, Zoro using an absurd amount of haki explains why he was tired after the attack:

To summarise:

• We see Ryuo gather around Zoro's sword while he prepares his attack
• The shading is far too dark to be fire.
  • Both fire on swords and the flames of Hiryuu Kaen have consistently been drawn with much lighter shading.
• Zoro's sword is hardened when he prepares his attack.
• Zoro was noticeably drained by the attack. This is consistent with the apparent expenditure of stamina that occurred after Zoro's first use of Enma.

I currently think it's fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Since when could zoro flow flames out of his arm ?

The attack is called Fire dragon Blaze.

It's either haki alone or flames imbued with haki:

• Enma doesn't have flame properties.
  • This has never been said or suggested
  • Enma's only property is to force its wielder to excessively release ryuo:
    
    
• It's shaded far too darkly to be fire.
  • This is how Oda draws Zoro's swords on fire:
    
    
• Hiryuu is a technique Zoro used pretimeskip and there was no fire then:
  
  
• While Zoro is preparing the attack, we see ryuo gather around his sword:
  
  

It's pretty clearly haki, fire on Zoro's swords aren't shaded that darkly, and the technique doesn't produce fire (the wound ignites itself). Alternatively, Zoro somehow imbued fire with hardening, but as I said, the technique doesn't produce fire.

Furthermore, Zoro using an absurd amount of haki explains why he was tired after the attack:

Spoiler

I currently think it's fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening.

That's a light Grey shade. Compare it to what Roger and Whitebeard did, where their haki is pitch black, and you can see a huge difference between the two.

 

[HA001]

The attack is called Fire dragon Blaze.



That's a light Grey shade. Compare it to what Roger and Whitebeard did, where their haki is pitch black, and you can see a huge difference between the two.

Yes i know hes used it before. There was no fire on his slash. Once again how is he flowing fire into his sword ?

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Every damn sword inherits it's previous users souls and continues to fight their battles along with its new master until their enemies are destroyed.

Likewise, Zoro inherited Oden's sword and is fighting his battle which is why Kaido can sense his presence or his shoul in Enma. It's not the same as storing Haki. Get over that BS.

 

[bennbeckman]

Pretty sure that the attack is fire on the enma and not haki, since the name is also a fire strike as well

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Yes i know hes used it before. There was no fire on his slash. Once again how is he flowing fire into his sword ?

The same way Kinemon does. He couldn't cut fire till one chapter ago, but low and behold he can now, because he took the technique. He already had a flame attack since preskip. Oda just drew it more detailed and potent like Kinemon does it.

 

[Cinera]

That's a light Grey shade. Compare it to what Roger and Whitebeard did, where their haki is pitch black, and you can see a huge difference between the two.

I currently think it's fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening.

But read the rest of the post (I updated it after you replied). Fire has never been drawn that darkly. It's either overflowing hardening that is less thick, or alternatively fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening.

 

[HA001]

The same way Kinemon does. He couldn't cut fire till one chapter ago, but low and behold he can now, because he took the technique. He already had a flame attack since preskip. Oda just drew it more detailed and potent like Kinemon does it.

This is the same attack. There was no fire on the slash last time. The wound ignited.
Why would big mom and kaido be scared of fire ?

 

[T.D.A]

Give Shusui to Zoro instead of Enma and he wouldn't do shit to Kaido. Whether Enma has Oden's haki/will or not, Kaido was afraid of Enma, not Zoro.

No, Zoro was restraining himself from channelling his Ryuo. He relaxed those restraints more in this chapter.




Mama chastises Kaido for greatly underestimating Zoro:

Spoiler

Nope, it's haki:

• Enma doesn't have flame properties.
  • This has never been said or suggested
  • Enma's only property is to force its wielder to excessively release ryuo:
    
    
• It's shaded far too darkly to be fire.
  • This is how Oda draws Zoro's swords on fire:
    
    
• Hiryuu is a technique Zoro used pretimeskip and there was no fire then:
  
  
• While Zoro is preparing the attack, we see ryuo gather around his sword:
  
  

It's pretty clearly haki, fire on Zoro's swords aren't shaded that darkly, and the technique doesn't produce fire (the wound ignites itself). Alternatively, Zoro somehow imbued fire with hardening, but as I said, the technique doesn't produce fire.

Furthermore, Zoro using an absurd amount of haki explains why he was tired after the attack:

It's fire and haki together

 

[Cinera]

Pretty sure that the attack is fire on the enma and not haki, since the name is also a fire strike as well

The same way Kinemon does. He couldn't cut fire till one chapter ago, but low and behold he can now, because he took the technique. He already had a flame attack since preskip. Oda just drew it more detailed and potent like Kinemon does it.

That's not haki my guy. It's flames.

It's either haki alone or flames imbued with haki:

• We see Zoro's sword hardened during the attack:
  
  
• It's shaded far too darkly to be fire.
  • This is how Oda draws Zoro's swords on fire:
    
    
  • This is how Oda drew Kinemon's sword on fire:
    
  • Contrast this with how Oda drew the flames adorning Zoro's sword when he prepares Hiryuu Kaen:
    
    
• The flames produced by Hiryuu Kaen are much lighter in colour:
  
• While Zoro is preparing the attack, we see ryuo gather around his sword:
  
  

While it does look like fire, if has been shaded far too darkly compared to how Oda ordinarily draws fire swords (or draws the flames produced by Hiryuu Kaen), for it to be ordinary fire. I think what we are seeing is fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening.

Furthermore, Zoro using an absurd amount of haki explains why he was tired after the attack:

To summarise:

• We see Ryuo gather around Zoro's sword while he prepares his attack
• The shading is far too dark to be fire.
  • Both fire on swords and the flames of Hiryuu Kaen have consistently been drawn with much lighter shading.
• Zoro's sword is hardened when he prepares his attack.
• Zoro was noticeably drained by the attack. This is consistent with the apparent expenditure of stamina that occurred after Zoro's first use of Enma.

I currently think it's fire that has been imbued with overflowing hardening.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Yes. Last chapter saying yes

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

No, Odens Haki is NOT inside Enma, I said this many times before whats inside Enma Is Oden's WILL