Speculations Zoro is already the WSS?

[God Buggy]

You know, the downplay of Mihawk and the admirals is always present.

It's clear that Mihawk is a top tier. He is easily one of the strongest in the verse. And this arc is only giving him further hype.

But let's enjoy Zoro doing wonders in Wano. I believe Kaido has never fought Mihawk, otherwise we would be reading another arc now

 

[Fuckthis3]

Until mihawk bloody on the ground no

 

[CbShadow]

Awesome thread.

Mihawk right now is still the WSS.

I have a theory of how Zoro will beat and surpass Mihawk.

Wano arc will hell Zoro improve his haki and put him on the path to create three black blades.

Elbaf, land of the giamts, will help him improve his physical strength. Zoro has incredible physical strength but he still has ways to go if you want to match Mihawk's physical strength.

Zoro battle with Shiliew will improve his CoO. Shiliew doesn't have to be stronger than zero to give him a difficult battle. Just like how Mr. 1 was not stronger than Zoro and gave him his hardest battle up until that point in his life. Clearly, I'm not including his battle with Mihawk.

After all of that Zoro will be ready to face Mihawk.

 

[Chrono]

If you discount DF users then yh Mihawk is the strongest with a sword. Hes solid YC2 lvl

 

[Formerly Seth]

If you discount DF users then yh Mihawk is the strongest with a sword. Hes solid YC2 lvl

How so?

 

[stairs-kun]

its true!!!!

 

[Bogard]

Mihawk after reading the onigashima news

Spoiler

 

[Finalbeta]

If you discount DF users then yh Mihawk is the strongest with a sword. Hes solid YC2 lvl

I thought you would place Vista above Mihawk by at least an hair.

What happened to all that vitalism man.

 

[Midnight Delight]

You know, the downplay of Mihawk and the admirals is always present.

Don't Group Mihawk with The Admirals. He's Clearly above most of them

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Im too scared my brain might melt reading through that.

You do realise he’s saying that Zoro instilling fear over people considered top tiers because they laugh at attacks of others such as worst gen, supernovas and Vinsmokes. He’s not praising Vinsmokes, more so that the Vinsmokes were seen as a capable fighting squad but their attacks are laughed at by big mom yet she is fearful of zoros attacks. but because you saw their name in a positive light you immediately call him a Sanji fan without reading his post? Or are you joking? I’m not even sure what’s going on here.

Like some say he’s joking or being ironical. But he isn’t. It seems he actually believes that Zoro is stronger than Mihawk and Mihawk is a fraud, at least that’s what it looks like he’s saying.

The Mihawk downplayers were defo crying after Zoro's insane hype this chap. After all Zoro hype means Mihawk hype.

But doesn’t that go against what he’s doing?
He’s downplaying Mihawk to further Zoro hype?
For him Zoro is stronger than Mihawk. Whatever Zoro does is better than what Mihawk can do. Isn’t that what he’s saying?

 

[Erkan12]

Zoro Novel: ''One marine claims that the strongest swordsman in the world is definitely Mihawk, the other marine claims it's Zoro. They witnessed their sword techniques in marineford and dressrosa. Mihawk cut down gigantic ice block. Zoro cut down gigantic Pica.''
''They start talking about other candidates: Vista, Shanks and Ryuuma. A marine says Vista was able to fight Mihawk equally for a short moment. Ryuma is strong, but he is already dead. According to another marine, Shanks is said to be the rival of Mihawk. He faced Akainu without fear. 2 of the marines have heard that Shanks is a very strong swordsman. But another marine says it's not that Shanks showed his great technique with his sword in Marineford.''
--- Translation by Sandman


Dressrosa Zoro, Vista and Mihawk are already in the conversation. WSS is a title that no top tier really cares. Since Shanks's main power will be a different thing, he only in that conversation due to his side ability. They even said Shanks didn't show any great sword technique in Marineford so his powers are still a mystery.

Probably very close and he improved his swordsmanship by learning to cut fire which he didn't learn from Mihawk, there is no clue that Mihawk can even cut fire. But even Zoro at this point being close to Mihawk that should prove Mihawk is no Yonko level.

Zoro and Brook at the same time couldn't hit a very casual Marco. Marco send Vista alone to deal with Mihawk he didn't even bother to stop him like he fought Admirals, Big Mom and Blackbeard. Marco would never send Vista alone if Mihawk was Yonko level. Nor Crocodile could stop him alone. Jinbe said Big mom is unstoppable, hyped her while Crocodile or Vista was able to stop Mihawk casually.

Zoro will surpass Mihawk, and he will still be weaker than Luffy. It will be Luffy > Zoro > Mihawk. No way Luffy's underling will be stronger than a Yonko level opponent.

Zoro needed Oden's Aura and Law's teleportation boost to do something and Kaido talked about Oden's Aura not Zoro's own. Big mom also pointed out the sword being special not Zoro. Earlier when Zoro couldn't release Enma he wasn't able to do any damage even with Killer's help.

While when Luffy punched him with G3, he has seen the images of people who can damage him, that didn't happen with Zoro they said its Oden's Aura and Big mom took them down with ease shortly after, Luffy tanked even a Boro Breath and outshined everyone.

In the end, even with Law's boost and Oden's Aura Zoro couldn't do anything. Just like Mihawk couldn't do anything to Whitebeard and Jozu.

Zoro was close to Mihawk since Dressrosa according to the Novel. You don't need to wait that long.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Zoro Novel: ''One marine claims that the strongest swordsman in the world is definitely Mihawk, the other marine claims it's Zoro. They witnessed their sword techniques in marineford and dressrosa. Mihawk cut down gigantic ice block. Zoro cut down gigantic Pica.''
''They start talking about other candidates: Vista, Shanks and Ryuuma. A marine says Vista was able to fight Mihawk equally for a short moment. Ryuma is strong, but he is already dead. According to another marine, Shanks is said to be the rival of Mihawk. He faced Akainu without fear. 2 of the marines have heard that Shanks is a very strong swordsman. But another marine says it's not that Shanks showed his great technique with his sword in Marineford.''
--- Translation by Sandman

When you read the Buu Arc of Dragon Ball, do you assume Mr. Satan killed Cell just because everyone outside the Z Fighters' circle said so?

 

[Fujishiro]

Mihawk vs Zoro 2 gonna be the greatest duel in the history of fiction

I doubt it lol. Oda and fights don’t mesh well.

 

[HA001]

When you read the Buu Arc of Dragon Ball, do you assume Mr. Satan killed Cell just because everyone outside the Z Fighters' circle said so?

Lmfao this shit has me dead

 

[Edwar.D.O]

A marine says Vista was able to fight Mihawk equally for a short moment.

I think they were more saying that their swordsman ship appeared to be equal during their clash. Whilst neither were going all out or even looked serious say for example

Vista is fighting with 80% of his power and Mihawk with 40%. Mihawk 40% is equal to, Vistas 80%. Where as Mihawk is much stronger and 100% Vista won’t be able to beat a 60% or 61% Mihawk if you get what I mean? This is a rough example. Vista is impressive and one of the best swordsmen we’ve seen so far but he’s not WSS level but he’s not a pushover. Marineford wasn’t the place where people were displaying their 100% full capabilities.

from what random Marine’s saw from the outside doesn’t scale Mihawk or vista accurately, nor does their opinions scale them and their full capabilities.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Everything Zoro does this arc just hypes up Mihawk.

 

[Koro]

If you mean that Mihawk is YC2. Then Zoro will, post wano.

But if we take Mihawk along with who concern on him such as Admirals / Fleet admiral sengoku at least or Yonkou Shanks (Mihawk can be low top tier OR mid top tier), then Zoro still have at least 2 steps to be WSS.

1st is using enma without drain his haki/stamina. Because Doffy could do that to on greenbit to dressrosa
2nd, stronger & longer in usage of CoA. But he will only be Kaido level.

The 3rd/last he needs CoC to let his CoA coat his Sword to be Black permanent like shusui so he can be as great as WB/Roger, without CoC, he'll never be.

 

[Rekien]

You do realise he’s saying that Zoro instilling fear over people considered top tiers because they laugh at attacks of others such as worst gen, supernovas and Vinsmokes. He’s not praising Vinsmokes, more so that the Vinsmokes were seen as a capable fighting squad but their attacks are laughed at by big mom yet she is fearful of zoros attacks. but because you saw their name in a positive light you immediately call him a Sanji fan without reading his post? Or are you joking? I’m not even sure what’s going on here.

Like some say he’s joking or being ironical. But he isn’t. It seems he actually believes that Zoro is stronger than Mihawk and Mihawk is a fraud, at least that’s what it looks like he’s saying.



But doesn’t that go against what he’s doing?
He’s downplaying Mihawk to further Zoro hype?
For him Zoro is stronger than Mihawk. Whatever Zoro does is better than what Mihawk can do. Isn’t that what he’s saying?

I was joking, plus, its not because he is wanking zoro that i have to agree with him, specialy considering he starts by bashing Mihawk..... Like i always say, Zoro is the most underrated but also the most overrated character in the entire series.

I might be a Zorofanboy through and through, but that dosent mean i can just discart logic and reason to overplay the character, first of all the main reason Zoro is my fav character in the series is not just because he is strong, in fact that plays a very minnor part of it compared to the gags/personality of the character.

 

[Erkan12]

When you read the Buu Arc of Dragon Ball, do you assume Mr. Satan killed Cell just because everyone outside the Z Fighters' circle said so?

Tsk Tsk Tsk... Can't you understand One Piece and Dragon Ball dynamics are entirely different fake Luffy fan-kun?

In One Piece, fame and hype of a pirate is so important that;
- Franky chokes his nakama Usopp for surpassing his bounty, and gets jealous of him.
- Zoro cuts a cliff after Sanji making fun of his low bounty.
- Luffy gets depressed after wrongly thinking that his bounty fell from 500 million to 150 million and Brook acknowledges that their captain should get a bigger bounty than others due to his status.
- Whitebeard, Roger and Kaido gets the highest top 3 bounties around the pirates and gets hyped by it.

In Dragon Ball;
- Goku or other Z fighters doesn't give a flying fudge about the hype and fame, Gohan even tries to hide his face while acting like a super hero, Goku and others are completely fine with Satan getting all the credit and fame because they don't care about the fame, notoriety or hype around their own world, Goku doesn't want to be the famest guy and doesn't care about any wanted posters...

Thus fame and hype is extremely important for One Piece characters such as Zoro (who will surpass Mihawk) and Sanji while it means nothing for Dragon Ball characters such as Goku.

The only reason Mihawk become a Shichibukai is his fame, this is Sengoku's words; they couldn't make Blackbeard Shichibukai at the time because he was unknown to the other pirates. He only became one after getting the fame by capturing Ace. Even if they knew Blackbeard was very strong he still needed to prove it in terms of fame on public so he could be a Shichibukai, the same applies to Mihawk considering that he became a Shichibukai. Public knowledge in One Piece is extremely imporant. Even Yonko title has given to Blackbeard by other people on public after the news of defeating Marco not by other top tiers.

There is no such a thing like that in Dragon Ball, public perception is not important because Goku doesn't get status like Shichibukai, or Yonko, or fifth Yonko based on public perception and newspapers, it means nothing for Dragon Ball characters.

I also remember you zoro extremists were using the Zoro hype, when outside of the people in the crew; such as Barto and Urouge, and these people only knew them from newspapers, they hyped Zoro and Zoro extremists like you used this to wank Zoro over Sanji and the entire point of Zoro being a Worst Gen member is because he reached +100 bounty limit earlier than Sanji did, who surpassed Zoro's bounty right now. Now this Zoro extremist here telling me that getting hyped by the marines and other people, public perception means nothing in One Piece, such an hypocrisy from you fake Luffy-fan kun

One Piece and Dragon Ball are entirely two different worlds and have different dynamics. But not surprise you didn't understand something as simple as that fake Luffy-fan kun.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Tsk Tsk Tsk... Can't you understand One Piece and Dragon Ball dynamics are entirely different fake Luffy fan-kun?

In One Piece, fame and hype of a pirate is so important that;
- Franky chokes his nakama Usopp for surpassing his bounty, and gets jealous of him.
- Zoro cuts a cliff after Sanji making fun of his low bounty.
- Luffy gets depressed after wrongly thinking that his bounty fell from 500 million to 150 million and Brook acknowledges that their captain should get a bigger bounty than others due to his status.
- Whitebeard, Roger and Kaido gets the highest top 3 bounties around the pirates and gets hyped by it.

In Dragon Ball;
- Goku or other Z fighters doesn't give a flying fudge about the hype and fame, Gohan even tries to hide his face while acting like a super hero, Goku and others are completely fine with Satan getting all the credit and fame because they don't care about the fame, notoriety or hype around their own world, Goku doesn't want to be the famest guy and doesn't care about any wanted posters...

Thus fame and hype is extremely important for One Piece characters such as Zoro (who will surpass Mihawk) and Sanji while it means nothing for Dragon Ball characters such as Goku.

The only reason Mihawk become a Shichibukai is his fame, this is Sengoku's words; they couldn't make Blackbeard Shichibukai at the time because he was unknown to the other pirates. He only became one after getting the fame by capturing Ace. Even if they knew Blackbeard was very strong he still needed to prove it in terms of fame on public so he could be a Shichibukai, the same applies to Mihawk considering that he became a Shichibukai. Public knowledge in One Piece is extremely imporant. Even Yonko title has given to Blackbeard by other people on public after the news of defeating Marco not by other top tiers.

There is no such a thing like that in Dragon Ball, public perception is not important because Goku doesn't get status like Shichibukai, or Yonko, or fifth Yonko based on public perception and newspapers, it means nothing for Dragon Ball characters.

I also remember you zoro extremists were using the Zoro hype, when outside of the people in the crew; such as Barto and Urouge, and these people only knew them from newspapers, they hyped Zoro and Zoro extremists like you used this to wank Zoro over Sanji and the entire point of Zoro being a Worst Gen member is because he reached +100 bounty limit earlier than Sanji did, who surpassed Zoro's bounty right now. Now this Zoro fan here telling me that getting hyped by the marines and other people, public perception means nothing in One Piece, such an hypocrisy from you fake Luffy-fan kun

One Piece and Dragon Ball are entirely two different worlds and have different dynamics. But not surprise you didn't understand something as simple as that fake Luffy-fan kun.

The Crying Six still writing walls of text that prove nothing.