Future Events Oda's killing problem - does he have the guts to kill Kaido?
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I didn’t call anyone a liar? When did I? If you could quote the part where I called anyone a liar that would be cool
Odens reason for targeting orochi snd Kaido and zoros reasons for targeting orochi and Kaido aren’t the same I don’t even know how you can compare those two reasons lol
I don’t think that was luffys idea of saving ace ..... I mean ace died trying to save Luffy in the end.
Odens reason for targeting orochi snd Kaido and zoros reasons for targeting orochi and Kaido aren’t the same I don’t even know how you can compare those two reasons lol
I don’t think that was luffys idea of saving ace ..... I mean ace died trying to save Luffy in the end.
Zoro wanting to kill Orochi was not for the purpose of saving wano, yes it would have contributed but he explicitly stated he would definitely avenge Yasuie and thus why he was attacking orochi after Yasuie death.
Luffy freed Ace from his handcuffs yes but he still died. Ace wanted to live and escape. Luffy wanted to save and protect ace. He died. As harsh as it is that’s the reality, he failed to save ace as he intended. I mean he blamed himself for aces death at first. One of the reasons for getting stronger was so that he wouldn’t lose anyone again. I’m not saying it’s all Luffys fault of course ace was stubborn but saying Luffy saved ace is all fair and dandy but he didn’t save ace and even he doesn’t see it as he saved ace.
I don’t agree with you saying that what Ace did after was not in accordance with Luffys goal that arc. When Luffy himself doesn’t see it as that way.
I mean we’re going off topic here. What I’m saying is that someone saying something doesn’t mean it’s set in stone. There are so many example of this in One Piece. I never called anyone a “liar” as you do quaintly put it.....
Luffy freed Ace from his handcuffs yes but he still died. Ace wanted to live and escape. Luffy wanted to save and protect ace. He died. As harsh as it is that’s the reality, he failed to save ace as he intended. I mean he blamed himself for aces death at first. One of the reasons for getting stronger was so that he wouldn’t lose anyone again. I’m not saying it’s all Luffys fault of course ace was stubborn but saying Luffy saved ace is all fair and dandy but he didn’t save ace and even he doesn’t see it as he saved ace.
I don’t agree with you saying that what Ace did after was not in accordance with Luffys goal that arc. When Luffy himself doesn’t see it as that way.
I mean we’re going off topic here. What I’m saying is that someone saying something doesn’t mean it’s set in stone. There are so many example of this in One Piece. I never called anyone a “liar” as you do quaintly put it.....
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Zoro wanting to kill Orochi was not for the purpose of saving wano, yes it would have contributed but he explicitly stated he would definitely avenge Yasuie and thus why he was attacking orochi after Yasuie death.
Luffy freed Ace from his handcuffs yes but he still died. Ace wanted to live and escape. Luffy wanted to save and protect ace. He died. As harsh as it is that’s the reality, he failed to save ace as he intended. I mean he blamed himself for aces death at first. One of the reasons for getting stronger was so that he wouldn’t lose anyone again. I’m not saying it’s all Luffys fault of course ace was stubborn but saying Luffy saved ace is all fair and dandy but he didn’t save ace and even he doesn’t see it as he saved ace
I mean we’re going off topic here. What I’m saying is that someone saying something doesn’t mean it’s set in stone. There are so many example of this in One Piece.
Luffy freed Ace from his handcuffs yes but he still died. Ace wanted to live and escape. Luffy wanted to save and protect ace. He died. As harsh as it is that’s the reality, he failed to save ace as he intended. I mean he blamed himself for aces death at first. One of the reasons for getting stronger was so that he wouldn’t lose anyone again. I’m not saying it’s all Luffys fault of course ace was stubborn but saying Luffy saved ace is all fair and dandy but he didn’t save ace and even he doesn’t see it as he saved ace
I mean we’re going off topic here. What I’m saying is that someone saying something doesn’t mean it’s set in stone. There are so many example of this in One Piece.
I actually made a thread on the matter. You can check it out here.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-circle-and-kaido-use-to-be-a-weakling.10429/
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-circle-and-kaido-use-to-be-a-weakling.10429/
This is the same Kaidou who would've accepted if the Scabbards had killed him. But people act like he's gonna lose his mind because Luffy won't accept killing him.
And people act like Luffy is Batman or someshit. He might not kill, but he doesn't stop people from killing. He made it clear even pretime skip, that it's war, people die. There's still a tons more people who wants Kaidou's death. Is Luffy gonna protect Kaidou from those people too?
And people act like Luffy is Batman or someshit. He might not kill, but he doesn't stop people from killing. He made it clear even pretime skip, that it's war, people die. There's still a tons more people who wants Kaidou's death. Is Luffy gonna protect Kaidou from those people too?
Going to Marineford was because he wanted to save ace from dying at the hands of the Marines.
Luffy freed Ace but ultimately failed in his mission in the end.
I don’t see Ace dying at Marineford as Luffy saving Ace but nonetheless there’s no point in us arguing about this all day lol it doesn’t change what I was saying nor did I call anyone a liar.
Luffy freed Ace but ultimately failed in his mission in the end.
I don’t see Ace dying at Marineford as Luffy saving Ace but nonetheless there’s no point in us arguing about this all day lol it doesn’t change what I was saying nor did I call anyone a liar.
Oda doesn't kill Luffy's Enemies because as he explained, it's more about their Dreams than their Lives, but Kaido is someone who's Dream is related to Death, he wants to have an Epic Death that according to him completes him as a Man/Pirate/Warrior
There are three reasons why Kaido will most probably die:
1. For the first time, Luffy isn't the only one fighting Kaido & other Supernova are with him including Zoro who have no problem killing, so definitely, Oda created a Fight where he can easily get rid of Kaido without need of changing Luffy's way of not killing his Enemies
2. Oda introduced Kaido as someone who "Cannot be Killed", wants to Suicide & test himself "As a Hobby" & dreams of having a "Memorable Death", so if Oda didn't plan to kill Kaido, there was no need for all of this & he could have just introduced the Guy as Non-Suicidal or never mention Death at all (For example Big Mom also have Special Body & yet she never mentions Death)
3. When Luffy fights Arc Villain, usually there is something they are fighting for that Villain wanted to have & Luffy is preventing him from taking it, but this Arc, there is no such thing, Kaido's Goal is outside Wano and Luffy's Goal isn't to prevent Kaido from acquiring something, it is to prevent him from continuing his Journey completely, that's why Kaido needs to Die, because simply Defeating him & forcing him out of Wano won't stop his Goal at all (Especially since he also have Big Mom & her Pirates now)
There are three reasons why Kaido will most probably die:
1. For the first time, Luffy isn't the only one fighting Kaido & other Supernova are with him including Zoro who have no problem killing, so definitely, Oda created a Fight where he can easily get rid of Kaido without need of changing Luffy's way of not killing his Enemies
2. Oda introduced Kaido as someone who "Cannot be Killed", wants to Suicide & test himself "As a Hobby" & dreams of having a "Memorable Death", so if Oda didn't plan to kill Kaido, there was no need for all of this & he could have just introduced the Guy as Non-Suicidal or never mention Death at all (For example Big Mom also have Special Body & yet she never mentions Death)
3. When Luffy fights Arc Villain, usually there is something they are fighting for that Villain wanted to have & Luffy is preventing him from taking it, but this Arc, there is no such thing, Kaido's Goal is outside Wano and Luffy's Goal isn't to prevent Kaido from acquiring something, it is to prevent him from continuing his Journey completely, that's why Kaido needs to Die, because simply Defeating him & forcing him out of Wano won't stop his Goal at all (Especially since he also have Big Mom & her Pirates now)
