Future Events Oda's killing problem - does he have the guts to kill Kaido?

[Cinera]

What do you guys think? Would Kaido's dreams be shattered if he dies? Does Oda actually have it in him to make the happy-go-lucky, cutesy mascot loving, family friendly post-timeskip Straw Hats into murderers? How will Oda solve the killing problem? Sound off below.

Thanks so much for the read. Normally, this would be enough to convince me that Kaido wouldn't get killed, but:

• There doesn't seem to be a viable alternative to death to permanently defeat Kaido:
  • He has broken out of prison 18 times.
  • The Marines are not around to capture him.
  • The citizens of Wano want him to be killed. This was the goal of the Scabbards.
  • If Kaido is defeated on Wano, his defeat needs to be made permanent.
• If Kaido is to die, Zoro seems to be the most likely option:
  • Blackbeard and the Marines are chasing something and so probably wouldn't show up in Wano. This rules out a death from an external actor.
  • None of Kidd, Law or Killer have enough involvement in the plight of the people of Wano to be the ones to carry out Kaido's sentence.
• Oda has had important story deaths happen on panel.
  • Whitebeard was killed in an epic moment on panel.
  • Ace died on panel.
  • To the best of our knowledge, Pedro committed suicide on panel.
  • Kaido's beheading can be made every bit as epic as Whitebeard's, and the story importance and weight of his death would justify taking that final option.
• Oda may be willing to have Zoro kill on panel (e.g. the Magistrate).
• Oda is willing to draw deaths on panel in Wano (e.g. Yasuie's). Coincidentally, Yasuie's death gave us this beauty:
  
  

Kaido making out of Wano alive seems unlikely, and Zoro seems to be his most likely executioner.

I'm terribly biased and want Zoro to kill Kaido, so a lot of my reasoning here has been motivated and I'm probably blind to weaknesses/flaws in the rebuttal I presented above.

 

[zzShinichi]

Just saying that the first chapter of Wano is called "Seppuku", and guess who was about to perform Seppuku.

 

[Chrono]

*Zoro doesnt kill Kaido*

Zoro fans: Its because Oda doesnt like killing

Cant wait for this excuse

 

[Finalbeta]

*Zoro doesnt kill Kaido*

Zoro fans: Its because Oda doesnt like killing

Cant wait for this excuse

Why do you predict stuffs not happening in this universe Chrono. You should start from the one in which we live in.

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

Thanks so much for the read. Normally, this would be enough to convince me that Kaido wouldn't get killed, but:

• There doesn't seem to be a viable alternative to death to permanently defeat Kaido:
  • He has broken out of prison 18 times.
  • The Marines are not around to capture him.
  • The citizens of Wano want him to be killed. This was the goal of the Scabbards.
  • If Kaido is defeated on Wano, his defeat needs to be made permanent.
• If Kaido is to die, Zoro seems to be the most likely option:
  • Blackbeard and the Marines are chasing something and so probably wouldn't show up in Wano. This rules out a death from an external actor.
  • None of Kidd, Law or Killer have enough involvement in the plight of the people of Wano to be the ones to carry out Kaido's sentence.
• Oda has had important story deaths happen on panel.
  • Whitebeard was killed in an epic moment on panel.
  • Ace died on panel.
  • To the best of our knowledge, Pedro committed suicide on panel.
  • Kaido's beheading can be made every bit as epic as Whitebeard's, and the story importance and weight of his death would justify taking that final option.
• Oda may be willing to have Zoro kill on panel (e.g. the Magistrate).
• Oda is willing to draw deaths on panel in Wano (e.g. Yasuie's). Coincidentally, Yasuie's death gave us this beauty:
  
  

Kaido making out of Wano alive seems unlikely, and Zoro seems to be his most likely executioner.

I'm terribly biased and want Zoro to kill Kaido, so a lot of my reasoning here has been motivated and I'm probably blind to weaknesses/flaws in the rebuttal I presented above.

You’re right in that Oda has on occasion drawn important deaths on panel (what was with Pedro and that scarecrow though?) and that the story has strongly foreshadowed that Kaido will die. My only questions and reservations are

• Ryuma and Zoro killed dragons by beheading. Would Oda be willing to draw such a violent death, one caused by a main character at that?
• In what way would Kaido’s dreams be shattered or his values disproven if he died? Doffy’s and Hody’s defeats were cemented by the surrounding circumstances (D clan members, unity between fish men and humans etc) but in this case, Kaido wants to die. Killing him in a Great War would in some ways be giving him exactly what he wants?
• Oda tends not to kill major antagonists. They usually stick around to provide commentary on future events (Doffy) or to be brought back in future as either powered up enemies or allies (Buggy, Enel, Caesar, Croc, Lucci). Is he going to buck the trend now and have the Straw Hats finally kill a major enemy?
  

The majority of the evidence points to Zoro as the dragon slayer, but Oda has a lot of groundwork to lay before that death + defeat can truly be seen as a repudiation of Kaido’s dream and everything he stands for.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

*Zoro doesnt kill Kaido*

Zoro fans: Its because Oda doesnt like killing

Cant wait for this excuse

"Oh we didn't say Zoro will kill Kaido, it was just a joke"

Can't wait.

 

[Indigo]

*Zoro doesnt kill Kaido*

Zoro fans: Its because Oda doesnt like killing

Cant wait for this excuse

Just like you predicted Zoro would never get on the roof or interact with Kaido at all

 

[zzShinichi]

This is literally the same shit with Zoro fighting Kaidou again. There were an overwhelming hints that pointed towards Zoro fighting Kaidou, but people ignored them, and using the same bullshit arguments against it like "oh but Oda doesn't do it that way, oh but Oda has never done that, oh but the big boss is reseved for Luffy only", only for them to slowly realize the inevitable. Why can't the same shit happen with Zoro killing Kaidou.

 

[Indigo]

Also, don't forget that Oda already draw three very graphic and brutal deaths this arc with Oden, Yasuie and Orochi (yeah, he might comeback, but you can't forget he was decapitated in a panel right in front of us). Oda seems very trigger happy this arc.

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This is literally the same shit with Zoro fighting Kaidou again. There were an overwhelming hints that pointed towards Zoro fighting Kaidou, but people ignored them, and using the same bullshit arguments against it like "oh but Oda doesn't do it that way, oh but Oda has never done that, oh but the big boss is reseved for Luffy only", only for them to slowly realize the inevitable. Why can't the same shit happen with Zoro killing Kaidou.

I feel like Oda is also getting ready to break all his formulas because it's the conclusion of the series from here on forth, just like back in Thriller Bark / Saboady / Amazon Lily / Impel Down / Marineford had a series of Arcs that didn't follow his previous formulas.

 

[zzShinichi]

Also, don't forget that Oda already draw three very graphic and brutal deaths this arc with Oden, Yasuie and Orochi (yeah, he might comeback, but you can't forget he was decapitated in a panel right in front of us). Oda seems very trigger happy this arc.

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I feel like Oda is also getting ready to break all his formulas because it's the conclusion of the series from here on forth, just like back in Thriller Bark / Saboady / Amazon Lily / Impel Down / Marineford had a series of Arcs that didn't follow his previous formulas.

Yep, this basically. We get it, you guys don't like ZKK. But please, for the sake of arguments, use in-manga panels to actually argue against it. Stop saying shit like "Oda doesn't do this or do that before, so it can't and won't happen now".

 

[Indigo]

I feel like people always forget there are many exceptions to Luffy being able to crush their enemies dreams.

Like Enel and Wapol for example, Enel was able to complete what he wanted and Wapol was also able to rebuild his empire and become even better than before he met Luffy. Luffy also didn't do anything to Big Mom or Katakuri for that matter. It's not 100% sure what happens to the villain at the end of the arc, so be open to different stuff happening.

 

[HA001]

You’re right in that Oda has on occasion drawn important deaths on panel (what was with Pedro and that scarecrow though?) and that the story has strongly foreshadowed that Kaido will die. My only questions and reservations are

• Ryuma and Zoro killed dragons by beheading. Would Oda be willing to draw such a violent death, one caused by a main character at that?
• In what way would Kaido’s dreams be shattered or his values disproven if he died? Doffy’s and Hody’s defeats were cemented by the surrounding circumstances (D clan members, unity between fish men and humans etc) but in this case, Kaido wants to die. Killing him in a Great War would in some ways be giving him exactly what he wants?
• Oda tends not to kill major antagonists. They usually stick around to provide commentary on future events (Doffy) or to be brought back in future as either powered up enemies or allies (Buggy, Enel, Caesar, Croc, Lucci). Is he going to buck the trend now and have the Straw Hats finally kill a major enemy?

The majority of the evidence points to Zoro as the dragon slayer, but Oda has a lot of groundwork to lay before that death + defeat can truly be seen as a repudiation of Kaido’s dream and everything he stands for.

Luffy beating him doesnt shatter his dream.
The man has 7 losses and still wants a grand death. An 8th loss what would that change ?

And on that point he doesn't just want to die he wants a death like wb roger or Oden
Kaido getting his head chopped off in a raid where hes been snuck by kids before he could execute his plan of finding the ancient weapons and fighting the wg. Its not grand for him.
By this i mean with wb roger or oden the way they died was inspiring
Roger - started the great pirate era
Wb - reinvigorated the great pirate era died standing with no wounds on his back
Oden - died after surviving an hour in burning oil saving his scabbards having his country cheer him
In each case there it is not about who killed them
2 fodders
I dont even know who gets the kill for wb bbs crew ? I guess
Kaido
The legend of kaidos death on the other hand will not be about kaido but about zoro whose name will only grow from here on

 

[RiShin]

So what's going to happen to him after that

He will be escorted out of Wano by Sword lead by X drake and perhaps Green Bull or Fugitoria in seastone cuffs.
We still still don't know how Kaido escaped all through 18 captures but his 19th shall be his last and he will rot in impel down.

 

[zzShinichi]

He will be escorted out of Wano by Sword lead by X drake and perhaps Green Bull or Fugitoria in seastone cuffs.
We still still don't know how Kaido escaped all through 18 captures but his 19th shall be his last and he will rot in impel down.

You'd be mad if you think Oda is keeping Kaidou locked away for the rest of the manga. He can't even keep fucking Buggy locked.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

He will be escorted out of Wano by Sword lead by X drake and perhaps Green Bull or Fugitoria in seastone cuffs.
We still still don't know how Kaido escaped all through 18 captures but his 19th shall be his last and he will rot in impel down.

Ok that what was the point of this why did Oda even put it there that was going to be his fate

 

[Indigo]

He will be escorted out of Wano by Sword lead by X drake and perhaps Green Bull or Fugitoria in seastone cuffs.
We still still don't know how Kaido escaped all through 18 captures but his 19th shall be his last and he will rot in impel down.

Impel Down was over the moment Oda put Doffy in there, that shit is going down before the final war.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Killing Kaido is NOT Guts from my perspective

 

[RiShin]

You'd be mad if you think Oda is keeping Kaidou locked away for the rest of the manga. He can't even keep fucking Buggy locked.

So far Doffy is locked up with seastone cuffs and I dont see Luffy doing another prison break because that will be too repetitive and already been done.

Because Luffy was leading the prison break, if not for him. Buggy will still be in impel down.

 

[zzShinichi]

So far Doffy is locked up with seastone cuffs and I dont see Luffy doing another prison break because that will be too repetitive and already been done.

Because Luffy was leading the prison break, if not for him. Buggy will still be in impel down.

You really think Kaidou needs a helping hand to make a prision break?
So we got introduced to an nigh unkillable character, who has been imprisioned 18 times, executed dozens of times, and your solution to deal with this character is to.... imprision him?

 

[RiShin]

Ok that what was the point of this why did Oda even put it there that was going to be his fate

To introduce massive hype and be aware that Kaido is one of the strongest characters in the story that his enemies nor the marines couldn't kill this man.
That will change with Luffy

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Impel Down was over the moment Oda put Doffy in there, that shit is going down before the final war.

For what purpose?