One Piece Chapter 960 Spoilers Discussion
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So big brain theory time:
Shimotsuki Kozaburo, the swordsmith of Enma and Wado Ichimonji, had a son, Denjiro. 50 years ago, when Denjiro was a year old, Kozaburo left Wano country to form Shimotsuki village in East Blue. Denjiro is the man we know now as Koushiro, Zoro's master. This makes sense (the literally look the same) and it seems everyone is guessing it, not to mention Kuina inherited the Wado Ichimonji, which Koushiro must have inherited from Kozaburo.
Now here's the killer part: Zoro is Shimotsuki Ushimaru's son. From his sillhouette, the resemblance is uncanny. 20 years ago when Kaido took over and Zoro was a year old, Ushimaru tasked Denjiro, a scabbard who stayed behind, to save his son and take him to where Kozaburo set up his village to. Ushimaru dies fighting Kaido, and Denjiro, in order to escape with no trace, renames himself Koushiro with Zoro and his daughter Kuina (who is only a few years old as well). Perhaps his wife was killed by Kaido.
So Zoro, with the inherited wills of both Enma and Wado, is effectively the 9th scabbard "Denjiro", but nobody knows this yet.
I understand that people would rather Zoro be a nobody, but I think Oda is going this route anyway. He looks like Ushimaru's sillhouette and looks exactly like Ryuuma, who may be their ancestor.
I think Zoro may inherit Shusui and return Sandai Kitetsu to Kitetsu himself. He will have 3 blades from the Shimotsuki clan (Ryuuma is highly likely to be a Shimotsuki, his grave is in Ringo)
Edit: @King of Hearts proved to me that Koushiro was at the dojo at least 24 years before the present (so, not when Kaido took over) and Kuina was born in the village (Chapter 0). This means that Denjiro may in fact be a relative or some related to Koushiro only.
However i still believe Zoro's lineage is on the money. How he got to the village is unknown though. Perhaps his mother had him in east blue but died on the way or during birth. One piece and mother man, i wouldnt put it past that.
Shimotsuki Kozaburo, the swordsmith of Enma and Wado Ichimonji, had a son, Denjiro. 50 years ago, when Denjiro was a year old, Kozaburo left Wano country to form Shimotsuki village in East Blue. Denjiro is the man we know now as Koushiro, Zoro's master. This makes sense (the literally look the same) and it seems everyone is guessing it, not to mention Kuina inherited the Wado Ichimonji, which Koushiro must have inherited from Kozaburo.
Now here's the killer part: Zoro is Shimotsuki Ushimaru's son. From his sillhouette, the resemblance is uncanny. 20 years ago when Kaido took over and Zoro was a year old, Ushimaru tasked Denjiro, a scabbard who stayed behind, to save his son and take him to where Kozaburo set up his village to. Ushimaru dies fighting Kaido, and Denjiro, in order to escape with no trace, renames himself Koushiro with Zoro and his daughter Kuina (who is only a few years old as well). Perhaps his wife was killed by Kaido.
So Zoro, with the inherited wills of both Enma and Wado, is effectively the 9th scabbard "Denjiro", but nobody knows this yet.
I understand that people would rather Zoro be a nobody, but I think Oda is going this route anyway. He looks like Ushimaru's sillhouette and looks exactly like Ryuuma, who may be their ancestor.
I think Zoro may inherit Shusui and return Sandai Kitetsu to Kitetsu himself. He will have 3 blades from the Shimotsuki clan (Ryuuma is highly likely to be a Shimotsuki, his grave is in Ringo)
Edit: @King of Hearts proved to me that Koushiro was at the dojo at least 24 years before the present (so, not when Kaido took over) and Kuina was born in the village (Chapter 0). This means that Denjiro may in fact be a relative or some related to Koushiro only.
However i still believe Zoro's lineage is on the money. How he got to the village is unknown though. Perhaps his mother had him in east blue but died on the way or during birth. One piece and mother man, i wouldnt put it past that.
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Way more interesting, where does the flashback lead to? Will it be used to skip a bit time, something like the scabbards traveling to Onigashima (which get mentioned one or two times while flashback) or will we get at the exact Point like we where before?
I can imagine that we get Onigashima right after the Flashback, with a Close-up of Momo which get really serious to go on a raid, maybe in front of someone in dark clothes, which get revealed at the end of the Chapter as Denjro/Koushirou.
I can imagine that we get Onigashima right after the Flashback, with a Close-up of Momo which get really serious to go on a raid, maybe in front of someone in dark clothes, which get revealed at the end of the Chapter as Denjro/Koushirou.
Works pretty well with my several months old theory:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/index.php?threads/theory-denjiro-is-koushirou.11/
Oden died like 2-3 three years after Roger's death. I don't think that was enough time for young Shanks and Mihawk to grow strong enough to challenge someone at his level (we saw how young shanks was in the recent Roger/Oden chapter). Since Oden died Wano has been Kaido's turf, you can bet your balls Mihawk wouldn't come sniffing around such a dangerous country 
Oden died like 2-3 three years after Roger's death. I don't think that was enough time for young Shanks and Mihawk to grow strong enough to challenge someone at his level (we saw how young shanks was in the recent Roger/Oden chapter). Since Oden died Wano has been Kaido's turf, you can bet your balls Mihawk wouldn't come sniffing around such a dangerous country
Mihawk > Oden. The more Oda wanks Oden, the more he wanks Mihawk and Zoro 
When Oda wanks ANY SWORDSMAN, it's a wank to Mihawk, as simple as that. Cause he's the END GOAL for Zoro
If other swordsmen were better than Mihawk, Oda would have made them the current goal of Zoro and not Mihawk.
At end of day, both Luffy and Zoro will make a name for themselves that is by far the best. Luffy accomplishing what Roger couldn't. and Zoro makes his name bigger than Mihawk, WSS
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