Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

How will the Supernovas fare against Hybrid Kaido?

  • They get completely overwhelmed and it goes downhill from there

    Votes: 121 35.8%

  • They get overwhelmed at first but recover to continue fighting

    Votes: 95 28.1%

  • Hybrid Kaido fights on par with them

    Votes: 3 0.9%

  • Hybrid Kaido fails and gets run over

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • Zoro solos

    Votes: 118 34.9%
  • Total voters
    338
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HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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Bil02 said:
Rumors mAy be unreliable buy you forget titles are based of Reputations and Rumors,Both Wb and Mihawk never defeated their closest rivals nor did they beat everyone under their respective titles yet are believed to be strongest based off same titles.
You again are proposing that the world thinks Kaido is the strongest because he defeated Oden which is just your very own assumption,so I'm free to against that.
Neither Akainu nor Sengoku knew much about Oden (calling him just Wb 2nd division commander) so I don't see how Kaido could have gotten the rumored title by seemingly beating a guy the world doesn't know that much.

In my eyes the guy with World strongest hype from multiple sources is superior to those with nothing of the sort,whether it ends up being being true or not,we'll see.

Neither are confirmed Akainu's equals right now,he beat Aokiji 1 year ago and spared his life back then(which already indicated they weren't equals) and now is at the head of the marines with all his limbs where Aokiji lost a leg and replaced with an ice one,something that can destroyed in a fight.

I don't mind ending being wrong but I think there is 0% chance either Aokiji or Kizaru end up being stronger than Kaido.

Let me ask you this,how did Mihawk and Wb end up with the World strongest titles in their respective categories? Did they beat everyone ? Who crowns an individual the strongest ? How come Wb was no more the strongest at Marineford? Short answer ;it is based on either rumors or World Government propaganda. Also we have seen 2 cases of official titles be false before.

1)Gorosei being highest political authority in the world

2)Fake strawhat Luffy being introduced to us as the real Luffy in Sabaody.

Kaido is believed to be the strongest by people,that's already more going for him than for either Aokiji, Kizaru or even Akainu who still has nothing on World strongest hype atm.
You don't believe it,you are free to but I don't see why you would be making a case for other people who have not even being brought up one single time by anyone for World strongest man,nor have they been directly put above the "supposed" current World strongest.

Sure it is bullshit title that only babies believe in because you don't like him,don't pretend like you wouldn't have liked Akainu to get such 1vs1 hype. Zoro said supposed World strongest,that is not mocking but just chanelling through his mouth what he heard other people say.
Zoro is also a proud ccharacter,he would do the same for Akainu or any other Admiral,that's just the way he is.

You said Oda never bothered to outright say Kaido is the strongest, I then asked you how will Akainu and the 4 others end up being stronger confirmed? Oda never bothered to state they are above Kaido either,feats are subjected to interpretation so we will end up never knowing unless Luffy or Zoro says something.

Atleast Kaido has hearsay supporting him being above the others,the others got nothing to support what you believe in.

What is perceived by people has been constantly hinted to be true this arc though.
We got a chapter called Island of the strongest,that's all I need to know.

Its also funny you talk about the difference between perception and reality then mention Akainu,Aokiji, Kizaru being stronger despite nothing hinting at that in the manga lee- kun.
Wait until they Atleast do something that directly places them above Kaido.
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bro stop this is the question its not serious and he doesnt even say hes the strongest

 
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GreenEggsAHam

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#7,267
Bil02 said:
Rumors,Both Wb and Mihawk never defeated their closest rivals nor did they beat everyone under their respective titles yet are believed to be strongest based off same titles.
You again are proposing that the world thinks Kaido is the strongest because he defeated Oden which is just your very own assumption,so I'm free to against that.
Neither Akainu nor Sengoku knew much about Oden (calling him just Wb 2nd division commander) so I don't see how Kaido could have gotten the rumored title by seemingly beating a guy the world doesn't know that much.

In my eyes the guy with World strongest hype from multiple sources is superior to those with nothing of the sort,whether it ends up being
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The author actually confirmed them too, not the people, lol the author is a real life human saying it , got a problem?
Bil02 said:
Neither are confirmed Akainu's equals right now,he beat Aokiji 1 year ago and spared his life back then(which already indicated they weren't equals) and now is at the head of the marines with all his limbs where Aokiji lost a leg and replaced with an ice one,something that can destroyed in a fight.

I don't mind ending being wrong but I think there is 0% chance either Aokiji or Kizaru end up being stronger than Kaido.
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actually oda confirmed kizaru is stronger than kaido, kaido hasnt shown COO let alone top tier CoO
oda said you need top tier CoO to face kizaru
and yes all admirals are equal the gap isnt noticable
 
scoobie3

scoobie3

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Peroroncino said:
i mean he uses a sword soooooooooo...
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That's true but i'm just gonna quote what i already told PizzaBread how i thought about that before:

scoobie3 said:
Hm... allright. If the Fujitora picture the HA guy has shown is from that source and the translation about Fuji being a swordsman not altered in any way you guys actually did change my mind. I have to reevaluate the swordsman category then since so far Fuji being a swordsman seemed contradictory. After all every actual swordsman in the story so far used actual swordsmanship and techniques to cut his opponents down, Fujitora on the other hand has used no swordsmanship at all and actually only used his sword to channel his devil fruit powers. I guess in Odas view he still counts as a swordsman though. My guess was that he was a swordsman prior to becoming an Admiral but since he obtained that devil fruit he changed his fighting style into being a devil fruit user.
So based on this information now until further notice Mihawk is stronger than Fujitora too.
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Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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Cinera said:
Mihawk is waiting for a swordsman that surpasses Shanks:


There are credible reasons other than his title to believe Mihawk is stronger.
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Again, its the title same title argument everyone makes. Read the 2nd to last bullet. It only specifies they were rivals, not who won. When you read other confirmed points in the story, Mihawk stopped fighting Shanks because he lost his arm (explained when Luffy got his 30 million bounty), not because when won. On the flipside, there is no indication that Shanks lost power either, considering what Oda has shown us.

Its not about whether or not Mihawk is the better swordsman, its about how the story presents the duo, and at this time the duo has never been presented as anything other than equal in this regard when it comes to their duals.

Also, nothing here insinuates Shanks even vies for the WSS title. Hes a Yonko with clearly different goals and a different mindset, clearly.


I'm curious what people think Mihawk is going to do next. He doesn't have his Shichibukai title anymore and his only notable relationship is with Shanks. With the coming war, he has to be a part of some combative front. And its very possible that is going to be with Shanks as an equal partner. There are heavy indications that Luffy and Shanks will fight (and may even be the final battle depending on the observer), tying Mihawk to a certain group for Zoro helps in this case, as Blackbeard has Shiryu, Im has the Monk Gorosei with Shodai and Akainu has Fujitora.

Mihawk being associated/allied with the Red Haired Pirates gives him a lasting purpose to the EoS for Zoro. I'm not sure why people don't see that as a possibility.
 
Thabeast

Thabeast

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Erkan12 said:
Great pirate is an individual title, just because Big mom is a great pirate, that doesn't mean her crew are great pirates too. Not something you get by having a crew you liar, mihawk is not individually a great pirate, he is a Shichibukai, which Kaido calls them weak.
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All the "great pirates" have a crew. So it's something to consider.
It's going to hurt real bad when Mihawk's student will split Kaido in half. :milaugh: (Well I can see that you're already raging, I can only imagine)
Erkan12 said:
Shanks can drop his sword anytime he wants.
Oda never said how full power Shanks fights.
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How do you know how Shanks fight ? You call everyone a lier for using normal logic then you go on to spout your headcanon.
There are a lot of things that point to Shanks being a swordsman, nothing tells us he can just throw it out like nothing and gain in power. He was Mihawk's old rival before losing his arm and we know Mihawk is interested in swordsmen. Candidate for WSS in Zoro's novel. Always using his sword when fighting until now. Databook says Mihawk waiting for a swordsman stronger than Shanks.
All of these imply Shanks is a swordsman. Burden of proof is on you.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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How was it even not obvious that Issho was a swordsman anyway?

Just because he relies on his DF a lot? He still prominently uses a sword and relies consistently on it. Plus he looks to be from Wano, that's indicative of what he went through in his Life.
 
HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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#7,278
Paperchampion23 said:
Again, its the title same title argument everyone makes. Read the 2nd to last bullet. It only specifies they were rivals, not who won. When you read other confirmed points in the story, Mihawk stopped fighting Shanks because he lost his arm (explained when Luffy got his 30 million bounty), not because when won. On the flipside, there is no indication that Shanks lost power either, considering what Oda has shown us.

Its not about whether or not Mihawk is the better swordsman, its about how the story presents the duo, and at this time the duo has never been presented as anything other than equal in this regard when it comes to their duals.

Also, nothing here insinuates Shanks even vies for the WSS title. Hes a Yonko with clearly different goals and a different mindset, clearly.


I'm curious what people think Mihawk is going to do next. He doesn't have his Shichibukai title anymore and his only notable relationship is with Shanks. With the coming war, he has to be a part of some combative front. And its very possible that is going to be with Shanks as an equal partner. There are heavy indications that Luffy and Shanks will fight (and may even be the final battle depending on the observer), tying Mihawk to a certain group for Zoro helps in this case, as Blackbeard has Shiryu, Im has the Monk Gorosei with Shodai and Akainu has Fujitora.

Mihawk being associated/allied with the Red Haired Pirates gives him a lasting purpose to the EoS for Zoro. I'm not sure why people don't see that as a possibility.
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why would he
he was one of the last to join the original warlords meaning he was being chased for years and they couldnt do shit
 
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Indigo

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#7,279
scoobie3 said:
Well i guess Oda made sure everyone reading the manga would know he's a swordsman. Didn't work with me though. Either i skipped these pages cause i din't care or i read it and forgot.
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To be fair, most people only read those pages when reading One Piece for the first time, because now that we're caught up, we hardly ever go back to read all those chapters we read from Wano after the volumes are released, since those pages only come with the volumes and not the single chapters on WSJ.

I don't know if you've been caught up with One Piece since Dressrosa. I've only been caught up since Luffy vs Katakuri.
 
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