Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

[Akai]

Off-Topic: just rewatched a Luffy vs doffy amv and noticed 2 things i almost forgot:

1. doffys character design might be the greatest I’ve ever seen in anime/ manga

2. the Moment doffy laughed at luffys new form and then got hit like a freakin truck was just insane. Loved it!

enough Zoro downplay for today. Time to embrace the greatness of One Piece

 

[Cinera]

That's why I'm maintaining the MVP so far is betw Luffy (For most effective hits) and Zoro (For most effective blocks)

1. Excluding Red Roc, Luffy's other hits haven't been particularly effective
2. Luffy needed to be saved on 5 separate occasions
   1. 1 time from Law alone
   2. 3 times from Zoro alone
   3. 1 time from Zoro with Law's assistance
3. Luffy has made himself dead weight for 10 minutes

As I explain below, Zoro is pretty clearly the MVP, and Luffy has arguably been holding him back:

Zoro has had to save Luffy four times:

• From Mama's Heavenly Fire:
  
• From Kaido's Boro Breath:
  
• From Mama's Cognac
• From Kaido's Chomp

Despite this, Zoro:

• Earned a compliment from Kaido with his Rengoku Oni Giri:
  
• Easily deflected Kaido's Demolition Gust:
  
• Hiryuu Kaen
  • Put the fear of God in the Yonkou
    • Mama:
      
    • Kaido:
      
  • Made them stop underestimating the Supernova after witnessing that same attack:
    
  • Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife a "trick":
    
  • He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
    
• Tanked an upper tier technique from a serious Mama;
  • God of Lightning: Tenjin:
    
• Significantly hurt Kaido and pushed him to Hybrid form with his mid tier attack (Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki).

All of the above has been in Santoryu and while not fully accustomed to Enma:

Zoro seems to have been the MVP of the fight so far even looking only at his personal accomplishments. When you add that he has been babysitting his captain, there is not really any contest on who has put in the most work.

Said captain has made himself dead weight for the next 10 minutes, so Zoro would be on full time babysitting duty vs two Yonkou.


I can only imagine how much more damage Zoro would have dealt had Luffy not required his rescues.


Our Grandmaster has been held back from destroying the Yonkou by the need to protect his captain.



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[Punpun]

Zoro has had to save Luffy four times:

• From Mama's Heavenly Fire:
  
• From Kaido's Boro Breath:
  
• From Mama's Cognac
• From Kaido's Chomp

Despite this, Zoro:

• Earned a compliment from Kaido with his Rengoku Oni Giri:
  
• Easily deflected Kaido's Demolition Gust:
  
• Hiryuu Kaen
  • Put the fear of God in the Yonkou
    • Mama:
      
    • Kaido:
      
  • Made them stop underestimating the Supernova after witnessing that same attack:
    
  • Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife a "trick":
    
  • He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
    
• Tanked an upper tier technique from a serious Mama;
  • God of Lightning: Tenjin:
    
• Significantly hurt Kaido and pushed him to Hybrid form with his mid tier attack (Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki).

All of the above has been in Santoryu and while not fully accustomed to Enma:

Zoro seems to have been the MVP of the fight so far even looking only at his personal accomplishments. When you add that he has been babysitting his captain, there is not really any contest on who has put in the most work.

Said captain has made himself dead weight for the next 10 minutes, so Zoro would be on full time babysitting duty vs two Yonkou.


I can only imagine how much more damage Zoro would have dealt had Luffy not required his rescues.


Our Grandmaster has been held back from destroying the Yonkou by the need to protect his captain.



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Thats what I was thinking earlier, hopefully people don't forget he has to protect and attack, when they power scale next time.

But who am I kidding, people with agenda's don't even count obvious feats, they won't even notice this stuff.

 

[mly90]

His hype is around the destructive power of Enma attacks, but if he can't land them, it's useless.

Damn Zoro really being undermined with Enma, the destructive power of Enma is dependent on the user the haki it uses up comes from the wielder. Imagine Luffy gum gum devil fruit being brought up every time he used a powerful attack that is what you are doing here

 

[RayanOO]

Significantly hurt Kaido

where did we see that he significantly hurt Kaido ?

For now we know he cut him but Kaido will recover without being that much hurt

 

[Lifeismeh]

Bro these are just excuses, BM didn't use her speed ?I mean really? If she had good reactions, she'd have done something but Zoro was simply too fast.

Dude the chapter is not even out, am giving you how it will most likely play out , stop arguing like you already saw the chapter

good reaction? what? he obviously surprised her, she tried to hit Luffy then Zoro appeared out of nowhere

He tested Luffy&Kid&Law and let himself get hit. With Zoro he tried to block and failed.

He obviously wouldn't exclude Zoro and Killer from his statement, Kaido was testing everyone, do you really think Kaido can't react to Zoro attacks? and Killer?

Yes we do. I mean you have Big Mom screaming at Kaido to not get hit like bro, that attack was going to fuck him up, it had to miss

No we don't, until the attack land and deal a big damage we can't know for sure

BM assumption is not a reality

 

[Kaiser Mihawk]

Zoro pushed Kaido into hybrid. That's the best feat anyone has against him.

 

[Akai]

Zoro pushed Kaido into hybrid. That's the best feat anyone has against him.

Chapter already out or why you rushin into conclusions?

 

[RayanOO]

Zoro may have already started delivering some much needed ass kicking to the Yonkou.

here you underestimate the Youko

without Luffy who have the main focus of them all the 2 yonko would have more time to focus on Zoro and attack him too. So Luffy is not a liability here for Zoro, he is opportunity

 

[kom5]

You really can't read... Common problem with Zoro extremists;
I said;
''Asura is shit, Zoro didn't use Asura against Kuma and he got owned in the end. He chose to use Shishi Sonson.''

Why its shit? Perhaps its slower. I never said its because Sonson is stronger in AP you troll. Learn to read and stop talking about irrelevant things like Sanji, Killer, Fujitora etc. when you get desperate and got debunked.

Lol anyway so him using ashura and enma makes him stronger than right I can read I wrote this with enma and ashura he is even stronger the result wouldnt really changed to debunk this you brought this up now you back off good because your first argument is debunked its like a chain of being debunked by you lol

 

[Akai]

Question: When G4 timelimit hits, does Luffy lose only armament or all kinds of Haki?

 

[Hanzo hattori]

- Kaidou uses another attack (does not give the name) that affects a large area.
Really want to see it

 

[Blother Fertitta]

1. Excluding Red Roc, Luffy's other hits haven't been particularly effective
2. Luffy needed to be saved on 5 separate occasions
   1. 1 time from Law alone
   2. 3 times from Zoro alone
   3. 1 time from Zoro with Law's assistance
3. Luffy has made himself dead weight for 10 minutes

As I explain below, Zoro is pretty clearly the MVP, and Luffy has arguably been holding him back:

We have to assume all four of those strikes from Luffy had to have been Ryuo Infused. It can be explained he has run out of Haki so fast. Because he used back to back Ryuo attacks.

1. Red Roc
2. KKG
3. Kong Rifle
4. Rhino Schneider
5. KKG Gatling

The way I like to look at it is, think of Kaidos skin as Leather. You can punch Leather but the blunt damage won’t do much, whereas with Zoro uses a Needle/Sword in which case it can puncture Kaido plus give Internal Damage.

Luffy is smashing Kaido but it’s not doing crazy amounts because they are still blunt damage. Whereas Zoro’s attacks with Enma are more lethal given they are cuts.

 

[Akai]

- Kaidou uses another attack (does not give the name) that affects a large area.
Really want to see it

RIP (Oni)gashima

 

[kom5]

It's simple. One sword attacks are the strongest logically. Yes, you have more blades to cut with, but you don;t have more torsos do you? The chest generates a lot of the force when swinging your arms. Of course, the three sword style us more than three swords, but you can't argue that 1 sword < 2 sword < 3 sword because of real life math, because real life math will say the opposite

well torso do matters but Zoros air slashes show us the opposite 1080>720>360
three slashes combined are stronger so in Zoros case its true though I agree not every three sword attack is stronger also his argument is Zoros ashura is shit because he used ittoryuu

 

[Patryipe]

Because no one else wastes haki like he does thats why its just him.
Why would he keep using g3 ? You realise kaido LET red roc hit him cause he thought he wouldnt get hurt.
He made g4 because g2 is too weak and g3 too slow did you even read dressrosa ?
Even in the kata fight he had to leave the mirror world to survive. Dont forget that. Like i said g3 too slow g2 too weak.

Luffy legit has one of the least effective fighting style of the manga lol.

All the top tiers have DF, weapons, or insane physical prowess. Even a physical monster like Kaido uses a weapon and has elemental attacks... Garp was the only legit top tier brawler without weapons or DF.

Luffy is basically forced to spam haki like there's no tomorrow because he's a joke without it. Can't even enter G4 without using haki? LOL.

Clearly Oda also exaggerates a lot with him to create (fake) tension because you can't have Luffy one shot the arcs enemy, but still.

I wonder if awakening will somehow compensate for this by giving a different set of powers.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

What can you do.

Its the responsibility of the strongest to protect the weak.

Imagine having to fight the wsc in hybrid form and defend the others...only Zoro can do that

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He is the "carry" of the team after all

Legit bro

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

the spoiler thread is a bit uh tense last 24 hrs

 

[Batik4ever]

Where are my scans Johnny

 

[Raughtale]

Kaido->Kid->Law->Linlin->Luffy->->->->->->->->->->->->->Zoro