How will the Supernovas fare against Hybrid Kaido?


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KAIDO D. STRONGER

Kid : What the hell is that form...?

Why is Kid always the one who doesn't know anything re. something power related?
Because he and kid failed to push kaido to a hybrid, they probably lost to dragon kaido or base kaido in their confrontation in the past.
And they just studied the weaknesses and strengths of DRAGON kaido according to killer and kaido, so kaido going totally into a form not seen now, his amazement makes sense.
 
Do you guys still think Goatakuri beats Zoro? If not, what difficulty does he take the Grandmaster to?

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I think Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki either oneshots, or fucks Katakuri up severely:


  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki cut Kaido up with blood spurting from his body.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki made Kaido cough up blood.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki knocked Kaido to the ground.
  • Mama is surprised at Zoro cutting Kaido. This suggests that Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki dealt significant damage.
    • She did not comment that Killer, Law or Kidd's attack damaged Kaido.
    • It should be more damage than any other attack (with the potential exception of Kong Rifle).
    • The only other attack, she commented hurt Kaido was Red Roc.
  • Kaido acknowledged that Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki hurt him
    • The only other attack Kaido acknowledged hurt him was Red Roc.
      • Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife a "trick":
      • He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki received the same recognition/treatment as Luffy's Red Roc
  • He directly deploys a tornado in response to Zoro's attack


Zoro has also blitzed Mama from far away twice now.
Well katakuri is a different type of fighter. Zoro will need high speed continuous attacks more than AP which is required for kaido. Its easier for zoro to fight characters like queen/jack/cracker/king than katakuri....
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
he is a top swordsman but the fact he fought against Dragon Kaido and scarred that version of Kaido downgrades him to a certain degree in my book. From what I've seen Dragon Kaido is just a punchbag and all he does is just standing there and waiting for his opponents to hit him. He is just a huge target. It feels like a plot driven moment now that Kaido fought Oden in Dragon form and not in Base or Hybrid.
Well scarring Kaido is pretty difficult regardless of his form, not even Current Luffy has damaged Kaido consistently. We don't have proof his Hybrid will be much more durable and I doubt. Regardless Oden is not Current Kaido level as I always claimed, but Zoro is likely meant to pass Oden this arc.
 
Man, chapter looks beast. Grandmaster is again the MVP in this chapter, saving Luffy and injuring Kaido. Can't wait to see his hybrid form next chapter. Anyway, it's nice to see a bit of conditions of SH under the roof. Franky vs Sasaki looks beast. Sanji is still chased by Maria lol. Robin, Brook, and Chopper are not shown in this chapter. Maybe next chapter will show Robin saving Sanji, and a bit of condition on the main hall.
 

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
Others include the scabbards, who also damaged Kaido. Cutting him multiple times.
Fair enough.

Be mindful that I'm not disregarding the fact that he ACTUALLY did damage him with a mid tier attack.
Just not as much as you claim.
I claim that Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki did more damage than every SN's attack bar Kong Gatling; do you disagree?

My reasoning:
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki cut Kaido up with blood spurting from his body.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki made Kaido cough up blood.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki knocked Kaido to the ground.
  • Mama is surprised at Zoro cutting Kaido. This suggests that Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki dealt significant damage.
    • She did not comment that Killer, Law or Kidd's attack damaged Kaido.
    • It should be more damage than any other attack (with the potential exception of Kong Rifle).
    • The only other attack, she commented hurt Kaido was Red Roc.
  • Kaido acknowledged that Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki hurt him
    • The only other attack Kaido acknowledged hurt him was Red Roc.
      • Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife a "trick":
      • He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki received the same recognition/treatment as Luffy's Red Roc
  • He directly deploys a tornado in response to Zoro's attack

Big Mom's surprise is because Zoro managed to deal an exterior damage, while others were going for the internal gimmicks.
Kaido called Law and Killer's attacks "tricks" and "vexing" respectively. The only attacks that did significant damage to Kaido:
  • Luffy's Red Roc
  • Luffy's Kong Gatling
  • Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki
Luffy's Kong Gun, Kong Rifle and Rhino Schneider were included among the "tricks".

That should be surprising for her, since none of them on the roof managed to damage him like that.
See above. Only three attacks actually did significant damage.


@sanjikun I was very wrong on Kong Gatling. Kong Gatling >>>>> Kong Organ.


He' surprised that 'normal' pounches can damage Kaido
Is really that easy, you're overlooking it
  • Kaido's words also imply that Kidd has yet to deal significant damage.
  • Kidd seemed very shocked.

Anyway, you know me, I change my mind with each chapter. If Kidd shows up during the 10 minutes, I will wank him as well.


I don't think Pre Udon Boundman had some godly offensive prowess. Excluding King Kong Gun, his other attacks were mid high tier level.

BTW, I think others have addressed the Onigashima size issues adequately, so I'm not going to repeat it (but basically, Oda isn't very consistent with scaling, so looking for the most unflattering panels to downplay Onigashima's size is disingenuous).


His Kong gatling dealt most of the damage, he was the one who landed the more hits among the others.
I would say so far he caused 85% + a short knock out. Now he's out.
Zoro did 10% of the total damage he took but Kaido dodged his strongest attack last chapter. He mostly countered the Yonko attacks and protected Luffy so far.
I agree that Kong Gatling did the most damage, but I think you're greatly underestimating the damage Tatsumaki did (see above).
 
Kokuju ou Tatsumaki is a whirlwind sending sharp attacks and cutting the opponent from all directions,Kaido bleeding from all over his body is expected due to the mechanics of the technique.

The attack is very impressive on its own but the issue has never been to have Kaido bleeding from all over his body,but it is to hurt him deeply enough,Big Mom was surprised it worked but not that it dealt significant damage like her expression showed for Kong Gatling.

Is Tatsumaki very impressive? Yes.
Is it low top tier attack? In my book no.

Excited to see what other attacks Zoro and the others will pull off next chapter.
 
He has some damn respect for the Yonko, thats why they are his goal. He is "reaching for the Stars". Remember what his words were when he entered New world? Only the strong survives, weaklings die or should stay in paradise. And the first ones he meet in new world, are weaklings compared to him.

So what shall he do next? His goal is the ultimative goal, for that, he needs to be as strong as possible, whcih means he needs to get as much experience as possible, so he needs to fight stronger ones. And this is what he does. Straight up for the motivation: "Get stronger or die", like he said at beginn of new world. And see what, he is still alive, still getting up, even going into 3 Yonko territories and confirmed at least one straight up fight against an Yonko, which back then acknowledged him as CoC User and now acknowledge him as "little Monster".

He doesnt go blindly or disrespectful into something, but he has to go into to figure out how to deal with it. He cant go the easy silly Luffy way. He goes in with all or nothing, grow or die. Thats it and since now, he didnt die, he went stronger, each time.
"It's do or die out here"
:finally:
 
Things is with Luffy out of Haki I expect Oda to do another Luci situation where he saves the SN from complete doom. My guess is next chapter ends with the citizens of Wano being able to see Onigashima coming and thus the ticking clock begins!
 
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She said 'look out' in the viz

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damaji kontrolu indeed
But but hiken is top tier
BM was sure kaido would be heavily damaged lol

Yet Linlin shocked this chapter that Zoro can cut kaido from the oustide/inside with enma.

BM and Kaido only worry/notices Enma and Oden's haki. It is never about Zoro's power/haki
 
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