Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

[Zowo]

Zoro translators at it again and again

 

[MonsterKaido]

Does it really matter if enma has oden's haki literally or not. It is a powerup and belongs to zoro now. Luffy has a devil fruit ,sanji has raid suit and zoro has enma...

 

[Finalbeta]

This is the same thing I meant , sorry if it was unclear

Now I think the will of D. is the most prominent will however. If you notice all people bearing it are on average meant to be very relevant in the main plot of the series. But we can only theorize for now...

I don't think it's strenght related either, more like a "thing of the brain", almost if they were pre-destined to attain something of quite important to the economy of the plot, independently from personal goals either in addition.

 

[Erkan12]

Not only this isn't how synonyms work but it's clearly biased by the headcanon of the reader. "Look out" and "dodge" don't mean the same, period. Trying to lecture someone on them being synonymous when they aren't at all is absurd.

The hypocrisy is clear when they use non-VIZ translation then say its the same thing.

If it was the same thing they would use VIZ. But they are not using it. Their hypocrisy got exposed.
@Jo_Ndule @WesMidnight @Lukegranders @GeneralP123

 

[Chrono]

Zoro translators at it again and again

Jack you won. "You made the Is Zoro using Oden's Haki" thread.

Reap the benefits.

 

[ivaannom]

Does it really matter if enma has oden's haki literally or not. It is a powerup and belongs to zoro now. Luffy has a devil fruit ,sanji has raid suit and zoro has enma...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS

This is what I always say, it doesn't matter, even Luffy has his gears and Nami her clima-tact.

 

[Shisui]

Tons of panels of Sanji protecting Luffy ,taking every hit that was directed to him and having unwavering faith that Luffy would destroy Katakuri.

Zoro fans: "Buh...buh...Sanji kicked him"

Again to protect him....but at this point just ignore them. Theyre retarded.

Ngl I am bit disappointed with some of the posters on here.

 

[Rekien]

Or protect, or prevent, or whatever you can do as an answer to this:

To be watchful or careful; take care.

Used to warn somebody to be careful, especially when there is danger.

Used for warning someone to be careful, especially because they are likely to have an accident.

We can discuss the original text and the context of the scene as much as you want, but the actual words aren't synonyms, which is the point I was discussing; and if you think they are, just open a dictionary and refine your English.

Who gives a flying fuck about english, this shit is not even my main language...We are here precisely to disscuss the scenes and the context on them.

 

[enelminemreborn]

Can you not read? He says that form of haki then mentions odens sword. He doesn’t say zoro has the same haki. Kaido was literally saying that zoro is getting haki from odens sword.

kaido liferally is trying to say that the haki from odens sword is not zoro. That’s why he recognizes it’s odens sword because it isn’t Zoros haki

Correction to the slightly off mis translation from the previous post to this portion.
"Zoro : That's actually not a simple tornado!"
Zoro actually states. "That's (that referring to kaido) just a disaster!"
It is easy to mistranslate this as it uses ただ which directly translates to simple or just.

As for the Oden's Haki, Kaido saying Odens Haki does not exactly mean he has the same Haki, but more the same level of haki, as Zoro is starting to adapt to the sword that only Oden was able to wield. are we really doing this shit again

 

[Lukegranders]

The hypocrisy is clear when they use non-VIZ translation then say its the same thing.

If it was the same thing they would use VIZ. But they are not using it. Hypocrisy exposed.
@Jo_Ndule @WesMidnight @Lukegranders @GeneralP123

we already knew about their hypocrisy and bias. They just make it more obvious everyday

 

[Chrono]

Ngl I am bit disappointed with some of the posters on here.

You shouldve seen them in WCI.

 

[Finalbeta]

Tons of panels of Sanji protecting Luffy ,taking every hit that was directed to him and having unwavering faith that Luffy would destroy Katakuri.

Zoro fans: "Buh...buh...Sanji kicked him"

Again to protect him....but at this point just ignore them. Theyre retarded.

This forum didn't even exist at the time that stuff about Sanji and Luffy occurred Chrono.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Zoro’s Tatsumaki slicing Kaido is no more attributable to Oden’s haki than Luffy’s Red Hawk is to Ace. The sooner people realise this, the easier it will be to accept when Kaido does acknowledge Zoro as on par with or even a cut above Oden, as he will imbue Enma with stronger haki to turn it into a black blade.

The very few times Red Hawk has been attributable to Ace has been on the basis of visual comparison as they both use fire. Here you have lots of characters literally sensing Oden in a sword deemed as abnormal by itself. The two situations have nothing to do with each other.

 

[Jackteo]

Jack you won. "You made the Is Zoro using Oden's Haki" thread.

Reap the benefits.

Oh, tomorrow's thread is going to be even more amazing

 

[Aknolagon]

I think that Kaido’s obsession with Oden blinds him to reality. Everything to him has become about Oden, from the Scabbards apparently using Oden’s Ryuou, to Zoro using his katana. Katanas don’t literally absorb the previous user’s haki, otherwise Shusui would have made Zoro nigh-invincible pre timeskip. What we do know about katanas however is that they represent inherited will and that’s most likely what’s going on here. Kaido doesn’t acknowledge the Scabbards individually, nor does he really acknowledge Luffy or Zoro as individuals. He only sees them through the lens of strong people he’s fought before and is trying to relive the thrills he felt while fighting them.

The true climax of this fight should be when Kaido finally realises what separates Luffy and Zoro from Oden and the legends of previous generations. Luffy is not Roger, not Whitebeard, not even Shanks. It won’t be until Luffy and Zoro push themselves to the next level before Kaido realises this on his own.

@Den_Den_Mushi what's your take about "はきの正体" ??

Kaido, a Yonko, who ruled Wano for 2 straight decades and faced Roger, WB, Oden, Shanks, Rocks, Big Mom, marines, etc... doesn't know about simple adv. Haki.

Hmm... You got me there man, that's so logical I'm very convinced that Kaido doesn't differentiate between adv. Haki and Oden's own Haki.
How silly of me to believe otherwise. :cheers:

He didn't face Big Mom for how long ? He also didn't face WB for more than 20 years after his fight of Oden.
After Oden's fight, Kaido didn't travel that much. He stayed in Wano, as Hyogoro said "ryou" is the haki of wano people.
That's why it makes Luffy and people using ryou as Oden's lvl something else. Why Bm should be shocked to see Kaido being hurt if she already has a full knowledge of adv.coa ? As you said that"s a "simple adv.haki" right ?

 

[Bogard]

Regardless of your position on this matter(whether Oden has his haki in the sword or not), things that bother me about this are the fact that

- Oden's name is always mentioned whenever Zoro does something with that blade
- Oda already stated before that even Ryuma only managed to turn Shusui black due to a continuous history of battle

The latter suggested that the process of turning a blade into a black blade required time, and thus not something someone could do in a single fight, with Zoro not having Enma for long

This is why i don't find it unrealistic that Oda could use Oden's fighting experience with Enma to make things easier for Zoro to turn the blade black

It's not to diminish Zoro's accomplishment or anything since he won't be able to do that in the first place if he doesn't manage to have / reach a sufficient haki level to continue the process of turning Enma black, so Zoro ultimately doing that would be an indirect mean to show Zoro reached that level

However to make things consistent with Ryuma's history with Shusui, it could be Oda's way to connect the dots with Zoro's way to end up turning Enma black after Oden's history of battle with Enma

 

[Ravagerblade]

This forum didn't even exist at the time that stuff about Sanji and Luffy occurred Chrono.

Orojackson time.

 

[Indigo]

You shouldve seen them in WCI.

The forum didn't exist

 

[Lukegranders]

Correction to the slightly off mis translation from the previous post to this portion.
"Zoro : That's actually not a simple tornado!"
Zoro actually states. "That's (that referring to kaido) just a disaster!"
It is easy to mistranslate this as it uses ただ which directly translates to simple or just.

As for the Oden's Haki, Kaido saying Odens Haki does not exactly mean he has the same Haki, but more the same level of haki, as Zoro is starting to adapt to the sword that only Oden was able to wield. are we really doing this shit again

He recognizes the zoro because he sensed odens haki. It’s right there. He doesn’t recognize the sword because it’s familiar but because he can sense odens haki

 

[zzShinichi]

Does it really matter if enma has oden's haki literally or not. It is a powerup and belongs to zoro now. Luffy has a devil fruit ,sanji has raid suit and zoro has enma...

Yeah at this point i literally don't care if Enma has Oden's haki, Oden's Ghost, Oden's Charka, Oden's Ki, Oden's Reatsu.... or not. The point is, Zoro has a connection with Oden now. He's literally holding Oden's will in his hand.