How will the Supernovas fare against Hybrid Kaido?


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We talk with @ivaannom so before claiming lots of things, we agree that 正体 means form or identity.

So Kaido is seeing here that Zoro is using the same form of haki of Oden "Ryou", exactly like when the scabbards used Ryou on him. For Kaido who doesn't know anything about Ryou, he refers Ryou to Oden's haki. That's when Scabbard and Zoro used on him, he calls/sees that at Oden's haki. Also why he didn't understand how Luffy hurt him with Red Roc at first.
No there is no haki of Oden here


So this chapter officially debunks Oden Haki nonsense
@Celestial D. Dragon @Chrono

Now dormant Oden Haki that Celestial is talking about is a possibile theory but a theory with no actual evidence or implication, just an assumption which is a possibility.

But Zoro actually using Oden's Haki is actually debunked because Tatsumaki is a twister resulting from all three blades.

Its ridiculous how Kaido didn't even take all of Tatsumaki, part of it was used to nullify Kaido's Tatsumaki..A NAMED ATTACK FROM WORLDS STRONGEST CREATURE.

So Kaido woulsa been shredded in different parts of his body if he took the entire attack.

Just how fucking strong is Zoro? EoS Sanji gets no diffed @Cinera

I didn't even notice the fact that Zoro used Tatsumaki primarily to nullify Kaido's Tatsumaki.

That's fucking ridiculous. Zoros bottom tier move is stronger than Gamma Knife + Kidds final form + Killers sonic wave combined.
 

Shisui

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Yeah, yeah. I'm not even going to speak on the chapter in general basically, this writing feels empty having Sanji being treated on the levels of Brook and Franky. Seems there's some amnesia going on here right now.

I'm going to be put off by all this stuff until they start giving Sanji his proper due. Type of crap. Its not horrible writing but just horrible writing of Sanji. On top of that this isn't Sanji bias. Because I'm a Sanji fan and could care less about Usopp and Nami. Yet I feel like at this stage in the series they should have been given devil fruits, one or both of them. So what if Nami likes swimming. She's not in the Paradise part of Grand Line, do you see how easily Big Mom grabbed Marco like that and Marco was thought to be one of the ones strong enough to take down Blackbeard. Yet these people have Nami out here getting taken out by someone like Brulee and really act as if this can be a Pirate King crew. Swimming isn't more important than surviving and Oda spoke on them having to sacrifice for the better of the crew. Just like Sanji with the raid suit sacrificed his pride. Besides they have Jinbe, Zoro, Sanji and Franky who can swim. So Nami still swimming is not all that important. Could you imagine the logic behind, we have all these pirates that are super stronger than Nami trying to kill and capture the crew and Nami is one of the weakest but we won't enhance her because she likes swimming? I mean Franky was already a Cyborg and is physically strong. But Nami is just a plain human in the story. And while that's endearing to have a plain human woman survive the new world, just like a plain human guy in Usopp it is really something he could enhance. But now I know Sanji isn't the second strongest in the crew but that is so crap to just have him held hostage. While they are facing Kaido. They got him in no man's land. As if Sanji did something evil and Oda is writing his character in spite. Tired of this crap. Sanji shouldn't be up there. I'm not saying he should be delivering the killing blow but they should have him up there. He may not be ranked as a supernova over some bounty technicality and because Oda wanted to keep him secret for the Germa plot but still he's just as qualified. And its rumored his goal may be tied to the destruction of the red line anyway (although its just theory). So technically his goal may turn out to be the one that directly opposes the Celestial Dragons. Plus its not fair that they just had a whole plot where the plan was to kidnap him, force him into a wedding, make him relive his past trauma, be forced to beg for the livelihood of his captain as well as crew and mentor, harm his Captain, just to then have him and his family assassinated by Big Mom. Although Sanji was the first member of the crew besides Luffy (Jinbe was already in that world before joining) to get to be face to face with a Yonko. And on top of that, people say that Zoro is going to rage at Sanji for what he did to Luffy. At the same time he fought Luffy under much less reasonable circumstances. Then you have the part where I'm mentioning how its wrong that Sanji is getting this C-List Usopp treatment. This isn't a Sanji is better than Zoro thing but its the fact that they're quite similar characters with Zoro having the edge of course. Zoro was willing to sacrifice himself with Kuma right? Who is the only other Strawhat besides Zoro to still be standing in that situation. On top of that, he was already hugely wounded from Absalom. Zoro really took no damage from Ryuuma to be fair. But just like Zoro sacrificed himself for Luffy and his crew without their knowledge, so too did Sanji. He sacrificed himself to a Yonko to save them. And they already had him going toe to toe with Big Mom together with Luffy. And truthfully they did not do that with the rest of the crew. The other crew had Jinbe and the weaker members vs Big Mom or the whole crew running. Its apparently shows that both Zoro and Sanji can play the "Killer" to Luffy's "Kidd." Meaning they both can take on the role Killer has in Kidd's crew. Just that Sanji rarely has to. The only difference is that Sanji rarely gets the credit. But at this point in the story, there is no way Oda should still be keeping Sanji in the shadows. Its nice that they touched on the Assassin family thing like Killua but that should mean that Sanji is a prodigy in a sense just like in Hunter x Hunter. Or could've been lol. But anyway he can be an assassin and still be a very known pirate. The other thing is with this supernova stuff. Techinically, Sanji would be the number two on every other Supernova crew. If he was a member of Law's crew he'd be up there. But anyway, Sanji is stronger than all the number's 2 on other crews. And if he was on another crew and not the Strawhats or Kidd Pirates then he'd be in the supernova and considered as strong as both Killer and Zoro. And that's not speculation. It seems obvious to me. So I mean, Sanji is the exception to all these pirate crews where Sanji legitimately can be his own captain and the number two of a crew as well as Zoro. Of course Zoro is the stronger of the two but Sanji is right up there this whole idea of not having him out there is a bit weak. Plus they have him with the Raid Suit that Big Mom so coveted, so you know know there are just a myriad of reasons that Sanji should be up there. And the SMILE being poisoned food basically. Oda would be dropping the ball to keep him out the big Kaido, Big Mom fight regardless of what he has planned for Sanji later in the story. You just don't do that to the One Piece monster trio that has been shown to be a thing since forever. It is his story to write, but still this hurts. Its not even about, the writer is losing his touch or anything. Its just like he seems to be forgetting Sanji is Sanji. Though I don't know how he's written up the story beyond the latest chapter. Even so all that "Sanji will never be as cool as he was in Whole Cake Island" stuff is wack. I don't know what his definition of that would be. But of course in Whole Cake Island he went up against Daifuku, Oven, and Big Mom and dodged Katakuri. Does it mean that he won't ever fight any strong characters again? Because he just took a Page One and shortly clashed with King albeit with Momonosuke in his hand. Anyway, if by chance Oda is stuck with Sanji as a character then all he has to do is look at how he's portrayed Sanji early on in One Piece in terms of demeanor.






This is early One Piece. Even while the Supernova stuff was running. And I'm actually a fan of Hawkins as he ranks up there in my favorite characters.



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And there were more to add but I have an electronic device hacker who is running code to block accessibility to certain things. Like them spying the gallery stuff I posted and wiping it so I couldn't have access.


I'm going to be put off by all this stuff until they start giving Sanji his proper due. Type of crap. Its not horrible writing but just horrible writing of Sanji (Cruel on top of that). On top of that this isn't Sanji bias. Because I'm a Sanji fan and could care less about Usopp and Nami. Yet I feel like at this stage in the series they should have been giving devil fruits, one or both of them. So what if Nami likes swimming. She's not in the Paradise part of Grand Line, do you see how easily Big Mom grabbed Marco like that and Marco was thought to be one of the ones strong enough to take down Blackbeard. Yet these people have Nami out here getting taken out by someone like Brulee and really act as if this can be a Pirate King crew. Swimming isn't more important than survivng and Oda spoke on them having to sacrifice for the better of the crew.Just like Sanji with the raid suit sacrificed his pride. Besides they have Jinbe, Zoro, Sanji and Franky who can swim. So Nami still swimming is not all that important. Could you imagine the logic behind, we have all these pirates that are super stronger than Nami trying to kill and capture the crew and Nami is one of the weakest but we won't enhance her because she likes swimming? I mean Franky was already a Cyborg and is physically strong. But Nami is just a plain human in the story. And while that's endearing to have a plain human woman survive the new world, just like a plain human guy in Usopp it is really something he could enhance. But now I know Sanji isn't the second strongest in the crew but that is so crap to just have him held hostage. While they are facing Kaido. They got him in no man's land. As if Sanji did something evil and Oda is writing his character in spite. Tired of this crap. Sanji should be up there. I'm not saying he should be delivering the killing blow but they should have him up there. He may not be ranked as a supernova over some bounty technicality and because Oda wanted to keep him secret for the Germa plot but still he's just as qualified. And its rumored his goal may be tied to the destruction of the red line anyway (although its just theory). So technically his goal may turn out to be the one that directly opposes the Celestial Dragons. Plus its not fair that they just had a whole plot where the plan was to kidnap him, force him into a wedding, make him relive his past trauma, be forced to beg for the livelihood of his captain as well as crew and mentor, harm his Captain, just to then have him and his family assassinated by Big Mom. Although Sanji was the first member of the crew besides Luffy (Jinbe was already in that world before joining) to get to be face to face with a Yonko. And on top of that, people say that Zoro is going to rage at Sanji for what he did to Luffy. At the same time he fought Luffy under much less reasonable circumstances. Then you have the part where I'm mentioning how its wrong that Sanji is getting this C-List Usopp treatment. This isn't a Sanji is better than Zoro thing but its the fact that they're quite similar characters with Zoro having the edge. Zoro was willing to sacrifice himself with Kuma right? Who is the only other Strawhat besides Zoro to still be standing. On top of that, he was already hugely wounded from Absalom. Zoro really took no damage from Ryuuma to be fair. But just like Zoro sacrificed himself for Luffy and his crew without their knowledge, so too did Sanji. He sacrificed himself to a Yonko to save them. And they already had him going toe to toe with Big Mom together with Luffy. And truthfully they did not do that with the rest of the crew. The other crew had Jinbe and the weaker members vs Big Mom or the whole crew running. Its apparently shows that both Zoro and Sanji can play the "Killer" to Luffy's "Kidd." Meaning they both can take on the role Killer has in Kidd's crew. Just that Sanji rarely has to. The only difference is that Sanji rarely gets the credit. But at this point in the story, there is no way Oda should still be keeping Sanji in the shadows. Its nice that they touched on the Assassin family thing like Killua but that should mean that Sanji is a prodigy in a sense just like in Hunter x Hunter. Or could've been lol. But anyway he can be an assassin and still be a very known pirate. The other thing is with this supernova stuff. Techinically, Sanji would be the number two on every other Supernova crew. If he was a member of Law's crew he'd be up there. But anyway, Sanji is stronger than all the number's 2 on other crews. And if he was on another crew and not the Strawhats or Kidd Pirates then he'd be in the supernova and considered as strong as both Killer and Zoro. And that's not speculation. It seems obvious to me. So I mean, Sanji is the exception to all these pirate crews where Sanji legitimately can be his own captain and the number two of a crew as well as Zoro. Of course Zoro is the stronger of the two but Sanji is right up there this whole idea of not having him out there is a bit weak. Plus they have him with the Raid Suit that Big Mom so coveted, so you know know there are just a myriad of reasons that Sanji should be up there. And the SMILE being poisoned food basically. Oda would be dropping the ball to keep him out the big fight regardless of what he has planned for Sanji later in the story. You just don't do that to the monster trio that has been shown to be a thing since forever.
I hear you my g. I commend you for speaking your mind. I am not gna lie, Oda hasn't treated Sanji all that well tbh. I really don't get Oda's thought process sometimes but like you said it is his Manga and his character so there is pretty much nothing you and I can do but hope Oda makes our chef great again. :josad:
 

MonsterZoro

Bald Spoiler Provider
I never said I’m smarter. I’m just pointing out the unusual comments you’re making currently. It doesn’t fit your usual tone. Have you been hacked little boy?
80% of forum is zoro fans + 90% of mods as well i can see why a lot of sanji fans left but i won't leave just becuase bias mods want to allow bias speculation on spoiler thread
 
I am not tryna rank overall strength but just specific forms.

Tell me what do you guys think of my power scaling

Zoros Ashura and Luffys potential Awakening/Gear 5th = Mid Top Tier. Basically both are equal to Oden/Fujitora

Santoryu Zoro with Full power Ryou = Low Top Tier

G4 Luffy = In Betweener
Kidd with Robot = YC1
Law and Killer = YC2 level

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