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How likely do you think it is that Zoro kills Kaido

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Cinera

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐒𝐫𝐒𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
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#1
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A repository of my ZKK essays and works.

On Zoro vs Kaido:
  1. Zoro Will NOT Fight Kaido
    1. A prediction that Zoro will fight Kaido.
    2. Outdated.
  2. Zoro Will be the MVP (or Runner Up) in the Kaido Fight
    1. A prediction that Zoro will be the MVP or Runner Up of the Kaido fight.
    2. It has been holding up very well so far.
  3. What Would it Take to Convince You That Kaido is Zoro's Main Fight This Arc?
    1. An inquiry to try and understand the reasoning of those that claimed Kaido was not Zoro's main fight.
  4. Zoro vs Kaido
    1. Speculation that Zoro gets a 1 vs 1 with Kaido while Luffy was incapacitated.
    2. Wrong.
  5. Zoro's Desire to Fight Kaido
    1. A look at Zoro's character arc in Onigashima and his desire to fight Kaido.
  6. Why I'm not convinced that Luffy defeats Kaido
    1. A short synthesis of my current position on the issue.
    2. If you read only one of these threads, read this one.

On Zoro Killing Kaido:
  1. A look at Inherited Will in the Land of Wano
    • An analysis of the Oden's will to slay Kaido and open Wano's borders, passed on to his Scabbards and to Roronoa Zoro through Enma.
    • (Completed)
  2. The Second Advent
    • "Sword God" Shimotsuki Ryuma, Shimotsuki Zoro, and Dragon Slaying
    • (Completed)
  3. An Unorthodox Saviour.
    • An analysis of Zoro's character arc in Wano, his interactions with Wano characters, his desire to save the country, and his role as a "hero".
    • (Not yet started)
  4. Death is What Completes a Person
    • An analysis of Kaido's fascination with death and his desire to die at the hands of the Samurai who carries Oden's mantle
    • (Not yet started)
  5. The Case Against
    • An analysis of the most persuasive arguments against ZKK
    • (Not yet started)
  6. The Gospel According to ZKK
    • A synthesis of the previous five essays and my conclusions on the topic after thorough investigation.
    • (Not yet started)

Please read the first two essays before voting in the poll).

Feel free to provide suggestions, errata, criticisms, general commentary, etc. β€” all forms of feedback are welcome. You can use this thread to discuss ZKK, provide suggestions for future essays, ideas for my current essays, collaborate with me or just pick my brain on ZKK.
 
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Cinera

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐒𝐫𝐒𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
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Bump. I'm adding some of my other Zoro and Kaido threads to this project.


On Zoro vs Kaido:
  1. Zoro Will NOT Fight Kaido
    1. A prediction that Zoro will fight Kaido.
    2. Outdated.
  2. Zoro Will be the MVP (or Runner Up) in the Kaido Fight
    1. A prediction that Zoro will be the MVP or Runner Up of the Kaido fight.
    2. It has been holding up very well so far.
  3. What Would it Take to Convince You That Kaido is Zoro's Main Fight This Arc?
    1. An inquiry to try and understand the reasoning of those that claimed Kaido was not Zoro's main fight.
  4. Zoro vs Kaido
    1. Speculation that Zoro gets an on panel 1 vs 1 with Kaido while Luffy was incapacitated.
    2. Wrong.
  5. Zoro's Desire to Fight Kaido
    1. A look at Zoro's character arc in Onigashima and his desire to fight Kaido.
  6. Why I'm not convinced that Luffy defeats Kaido
    1. A short synthesis of my current position on the issue.
    2. If you read only one of these threads, read this one.


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Windfall Island

Windfall Island

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I am a huge Zoro fan myself but mr Morj's video has me convinced that kaido won't die.

coz that's the thing which kaido wants the most & so that won't happen.

Far more importantly from the narrative introduction that Kaido had ; i am sure that Kaido being killed is more unlikely than someone 1 v 1 defeating kaido.

That said this is just the beginning of Zoro feats this arc & its gonna rain a lot more with Zoro Ashura Enma + Nidai etc.
Although whatever Zoro will accomplish feat wise this arc , Luffy will (he has to) top that by the end of this arc.
 
Cinera

Cinera

𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐒𝐫𝐒𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
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Windfall Island said:
coz that's the thing which kaido wants the most & so that won't happen.
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Enel got exactly what he wanted. As far as arguments go, "Kaido wants to die, therefore he wouldn't" is not at all persuasive. Speaking very frankly, it feels outright stupid to me. Your argument is that the villain character that explicitly seeks death, whose hobby is suicide, and for who death is an integral part of their character is less likely to die than is the default for villains in One Piece? Do you realise that you're claiming that Kaido would be more likely to actually die if:
  • He wasn't seeking death
  • His hobby wasn't suicide
  • He didn't have a deep character connection to the death
If Kaido is less likely to die because he wants death, then by conservation of expected evidence he must be more likely to die if he didn't want death. Do you understand just how plain idiotic that claim is? That a deep and profound character arc intertwined with death actually makes him less likely to die? Doesn't reading it out loud sound foolish?

I have not watched the video you're referring to, but: "Kaido wants to die therefore he wouldn't" makes elementary reasoning mistakes. It's a logical fallacy. Some arguments are unconvincing, some arguments are plain wrong, this argument? It's outright retarded.

I am not going to watch the video so don't bother linking it. Nothing in it is going to change the fact that the argument is logical nonsense.

To be clear, I don't mean to insult you or this Morj fella. You simply made an incoherent argument, so I was pointing out that the argument is incoherent. If someone told me they had a video proving 2 + 2 = 5, under Peano Arithmetic, I would rightly tell them that their argument is nonsense. Similarly, the argument you presented makes a logical error. Independent of how likely Kaido is to die, a character arc intertwined with death is not going to make him less likely to die.


Windfall Island said:
i am sure that Kaido being killed is more unlikely than someone 1 v 1 defeating kaido.
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Someone 1 vs 1 defeating Kaido is now impossible (P: 0). Kaido being killed is not (P: > 0), therefore the posterior probability on Kaido dying is greater than someone 1 vs 1 defeating him.


Windfall Island said:
That said this is just the beginning of Zoro feats this arc & its gonna rain a lot more with Zoro Ashura Enma + Nidai etc.
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I agree.


Windfall Island said:
Although whatever Zoro will accomplish feat wise this arc , Luffy will (he has to) top that by the end of this arc.
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Nope. Zoro's feats are his own, and Luffy's his.
 
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Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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#16
#16
It is crystal clear that the odds are very high for ZKK to occur.

We do know that Zoro took the matters of Wano at heart, first claiming he wanted to revenge Yasu, pointing towards Orochi, then he affirmed he wants to kill Kaido, he meets Hiyori, receives Enma and ventures the realm of the Wano story even further.

Luffy doesn't compete when it comes to these heavy elements.
 
Warchief Sanji D Goat

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Mommy Fubuki!
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#17
#17
Cinera said:
A repository of my ZKK essays and works.

On Zoro vs Kaido:
  1. Zoro Will NOT Fight Kaido
    1. A prediction that Zoro will fight Kaido.
    2. Outdated.
  2. Zoro Will be the MVP (or Runner Up) in the Kaido Fight
    1. A prediction that Zoro will be the MVP or Runner Up of the Kaido fight.
    2. It has been holding up very well so far.
  3. What Would it Take to Convince You That Kaido is Zoro's Main Fight This Arc?
    1. An inquiry to try and understand the reasoning of those that claimed Kaido was not Zoro's main fight.
  4. Zoro vs Kaido
    1. Speculation that Zoro gets a 1 vs 1 with Kaido while Luffy was incapacitated.
    2. Wrong.
  5. Zoro's Desire to Fight Kaido
    1. A look at Zoro's character arc in Onigashima and his desire to fight Kaido.
  6. Why I'm not convinced that Luffy defeats Kaido
    1. A short synthesis of my current position on the issue.
    2. If you read only one of these threads, read this one.

On Zoro Killing Kaido:
  1. A look at Inherited Will in the Land of Wano
    • An analysis of the Oden's will to slay Kaido and open Wano's borders, passed on to his Scabbards and to Roronoa Zoro through Enma.
    • (Completed)
  2. The Second Advent
    • "Sword God" Shimotsuki Ryuma, Shimotsuki Zoro, and Dragon Slaying
    • (Completed)
  3. An Unorthodox Saviour.
    • An analysis of Zoro's character arc in Wano, his interactions with Wano characters, his desire to save the country, and his role as a "hero".
    • (Not yet started)
  4. Death is What Completes a Person
    • An analysis of Kaido's fascination with death and his desire to die at the hands of the Samurai who carries Oden's mantle
    • (Not yet started)
  5. The Case Against
    • An analysis of the most persuasive arguments against ZKK
    • (Not yet started)
  6. The Gospel According to ZKK
    • A synthesis of the previous five essays and my conclusions on the topic after thorough investigation.
    • (Not yet started)

Please read the first two essays before voting in the poll).

Feel free to provide suggestions, errata, criticisms, general commentary, etc. β€” all forms of feedback are welcome. You can use this thread to discuss ZKK, provide suggestions for future essays, ideas for my current essays, collaborate with me or just pick my brain on ZKK.
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Goddamn, I need myself a thread like this. Great work as always Cin.:cheers:
 
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