Chapter Discussion Did Zoro only cut Kaido with Enma

[Luffy bin Dragon]

If you think that attack would've cut him without Enma then you can't read lol

 

[York]

It would help if you actually pointed out how any of this applies instead of just posting the image(I mean I know the reason why you didn't is because it doesn't, but still)

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

It would help if you actually pointed out how any of this applies instead of just posting the image(I mean I know the reason why you didn't is because it doesn't, but still)

BOAT=Ryou. Zoro has BOAT therefore Ryou.
You need ryou to hurt Kaido.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

i think he did infact only cut him with enma
I will just quote this

but enma draws out a lot more than the other two making a better cut
acc to last sbs or magazine he wants to find a way to draw out 100% of his power

enma can do that automatically cause the blade exudes the user's ryou

shushui
wado
same rank in terms of sharpness/durability/grade or whatever do not do that.

its quite clear when you look at how much ryou is in enma in comparison to the other two . in the dragon below you can see much more ryou on enma than the other two.

you can literally see how much haki is in enma
less so in the other two
what does that remind you of?

compare that to how much ryou roger and wb apply in their blades
essentially
enma is training zoro in something he would learn how to do with or without it.
but rn its doing it for him.
he needs to draw out more haki on the other two to make them as devastating as enma

 

[Cinera]

i think he did infact only cut him with enma
I will just quote this

Sure, he infused Enma with much more haki than the other two. This doesn't mean only Enma cut Kaido though. The cut was still created with the strength of all 3 swords. It's a Santoryu technique, it's not really plausible that only Enma cut Kaido. It wasn't only Enma that created the slash, it was all 3 swords.

 

[Zowo]

i think he did infact only cut him with enma
I will just quote this

yeah and only shusui cut pacifista in sabaody since it was one slash yet zoro used all 3

 

[nik87]

People are jumping to conclusions too soon with this Enma business...
Nobody has a clue where Oda is going with it.
Or why it wasnt doing the same on Oden.
Sit back, relax and watch what Oda wants to achieve here.
Maybe, we are watching a process of Kokuto creation unfold in front of us.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

yeah and only shusui cut pacifista in sabaody since it was one slash yet zoro used all 3

well its not cause its one slash
its cause they failed to cut kaido in rengoku onigiri till he had to let enma exude more ryou of his

 

[HA001]

well its not cause its one slash
its cause they failed to cut kaido in rengoku onigiri till he had to let enma exude more ryou of his

But none of his swords were coated on the onigiri

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

But none of his swords were coated on the onigiri

thats also true
am prob wrong then

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Go back and we read that arc. Luffy was in a life or death situation and was almost killed by Hody. Luffy was trying to destroy Noah in time to save FMI and failing. If he didn't receive help FMI would have been destroyed. Yet, he never bothered to use G4.


Your reading comprehension skills sucks. The entire purpose of that scene was to show off Zoro's physical strength. Not to show off his offensive haki power.


The flashback was about Zoro using his haki to make sure his swords so strong they wouldn't break. Not about increasing the power of his attack by using barrier haki or releasing more haki. Oda wanted to save that for Wano arc.

Second, Zoro cut the golem up to pieces and Pica still wasn't defeated.

Oda wanted Zoro and Pica to be in a direct clash so he could hype up Pica CoA which hyped up Zoro's CoA.

I suggest you go back and re-read Fishman Island. Hody didn't almost "kill Luffy". He bit him one time throughout the whole fight, and Luffy using G3 to finish Hody off and then continuing to use G3 to destroy the Noah is what caused him to lose all that blood.

Stop making shit up. We are talking about the panel where Zoro said he wouldn't be able to knock Pica out with a flying slash from that distance. I don't care what the purpose of the other scene meant.

 

[nik87]

I suggest you go back and re-read Fishman Island. Hody didn't almost "kill Luffy". He bit him one time throughout the whole fight, and Luffy using G3 to finish Hody off and then continuing to use G3 to destroy the Noah is what caused him to lose all that blood.

Stop making shit up. We are talking about the panel where Zoro said he wouldn't be able to knock Pica out with a flying slash from that distance. I don't care what the purpose of the other scene meant.

Hody said that bloodloss is already taking a toll on Luffy even before he was defeated. The bloodloss didnt suddenly happen after that.

Yes, how do you knock out Pica from that distance where you dont even know where he is?

 

[Doggo]

We gonna have a chapter this week right?
Can't wait to see what wonderful discussions we are gonna have.
(Kidding, its gonna be the same topics all over again. LMAO)

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Zoro used a Santoryu technique; unless shown otherwise, he hurt him with all three swords. That is the default assumption given that all three swords were used.
Instances when Zoro used Santoryu to produce one slash:

• Cutting the Pacifista
• 1080 Pound Cannon vs Pica's Golem
• Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai vs Pica's Golem
• Hardened Slashes vs Pica's Golem

Again, until shown otherwise, all 3 swords produced the slash that cut Kaido.



Because Hiryuu Kaen is a stronger attack than Tatsumaki?



Hiryuu Kaen is Zoro's strongest Ittoryu technique, and Tatsumaki is a technique that he mostly uses to clear fodder.

While Zoro was more drained by Hiryuu Kaen than Tatsumaki (he probably poured more haki into it). Even before the timeskip, Hiryuu Kaen was a stronger attack than Tatsumaki.

Well it's definitely stronger when it has that much Haki being utilized during the attack. But if Zoro had that much Haki coming out of all three of his Swords at once, and used tatsukmai, then that attack would have been stronger.

Hody said that bloodloss is already taking a toll on Luffy even before he was defeated. The bloodloss didnt suddenly happen after that.

Yes, how do you knock out Pica from that distance where you dont even know where he is?

It was still only one bite, Luffy would have been fine had it not been for Elephant Gatling on the Noah. He fought Katakuri for over an hour missing his side.

Regardless of if Zoro would have know where Pica was or not, that was not the reason he said a flying slash would be ineffective. He said he couldn't use it because from that distance it would not knock Pica out. Which is true, as even a 1080 Pound Phoenix to Pica's face at only a fraction of the distance couldn't finish him off.

 

[Cinera]

But if Zoro had that much Haki coming out of all three of his Swords at once, and used tatsukmai, then that attack would have been stronger.

I agree, but Zoro hasn't fully acclimatised to Enma yet. Future named techniques may show overflowing hardening on multiple swords.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I think Zoro grouped all three swords into one single slash which makes the attack more effective.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I agree, but Zoro hasn't fully acclimatised to Enma yet. Future named techniques may show overflowing hardening on multiple swords.

He'll absolutely be able to use it on all three blades by the end of the arc. But people need to realize that the point of Enma is to make Zoro stronger, as made apparent by Zoro's own admission. Given what we know about what Enma's special property is, the most logical conclusion to reach is that Enma is allowing Zoro to utilize more of his Haki/power.

I would think these guys would be happy with that assessment, because it gives them ammo against people arguing Enma is using Oden's Haki, but nooooo.....

 

[Cinera]

He'll absolutely be able to use it on all three blades by the end of the arc. But people need to realize that the point of Enma is to make Zoro stronger, as made apparent by Zoro's own admission. Given what we know about what Enma's special property, this is the most logical conclusion to reach is that Enma is allowing Zoro to utilize more of his Haki/power/

I would think these guys would be happy with that assessment, because it gives them ammo against people arguing Enma is using Oden's Haki, but nooooo.....

There's no consensus among Zoro fans on what Enma does lol.

I believe he can channel more haki through it than his other swords, some agree, some disagree. Opinions are split.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

There's no consensus among Zoro fans on what Enma does lol.

I believe he can channel more haki through it than his other swords, some agree, some disagree. Opinions are split.

Well, they got limited options to choose from in regards to how this Enma training is helping to make Zoro stronger. Whatever it is, it's definitely haki related.

 

[nik87]

It was still only one bite, Luffy would have been fine had it not been for Elephant Gatling on the Noah. He fought Katakuri for over an hour missing his side.

Regardless of if Zoro would have know where Pica was or not, that was not the reason he said a flying slash would be ineffective. He said he couldn't use it because from that distance it would not knock Pica out. Which is true, as even a 1080 Pound Phoenix to Pica's face at only a fraction of the distance couldn't finish him off.

Just one bite doesnt make it any less dangerous, blood was dripping from it the whole time. You can see it when Hody tells about it.
Afaik, he used G2 and G3 stacking against Hody and that's what makes it more dangerous than the scene against Katakuri where he didnt use G2 which is the key part. If he used G2 two vs Katakuri, his blood would be forced out in basically an instant.

No, that's not the reason why Zoro said that.
ISDS didnt knock Pica out either and it was from point-blank.
It is all about cornering and trapping real body and finishing it off and that's impossible from across the town.