General & Others Ruination of a character - Sanji, The Predator, The Gag and the Rock Lee of One Piece

#61
there never was a monster trio and there never will be.
Actually there was and still is
Not with the name obviously that’s a fanmade

but it’s clear oda created a dynamic of the 3 being in a league of their own in the crew

and there was so many instances of oda portraying them >>>>>>>>>>> the rest
(Luffy/zoro/sanji taking on by far the strongest cp9 members , in the desert where the 3 attacked the dragon , in pre ts sabondy when the 3 attacked the pacifecta in a combo moves, post time skip when the 3 one shot the pacifecta , when the 3 separated in 3 groups leading the rest , in skypia when the 3 got attacked by wiper etc........)

doesn’t mean they’re equal
Obviously they’re not
It’s always luffy>Zoro>sanji
But the dynamic of the “M3” was and will always be there
 
#64
Luffy/Zoro/Sanji were known as the strongest of the SHs.
at the moment where Nami said this they possibly were.
being the 3 strongest does not, by any means, put them together.
why stop at 3? why not monster quintet?
same principle.
this does not put anyone into relation with each other.
when Zoro and Luffy are a 100. Sanji is a 70. the rest are all below 50. then Sanji would still ne part of "the strongest 3".

Luffys and Zoros ambitions were always special. they were always appart from the rest of the crew.
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
#65
Actually there was and still is
Not with the name obviously that’s a fanmade

but it’s clear oda created a dynamic of the 3 being in a league of their own in the crew

and there was so many instances of oda portraying them >>>>>>>>>>> the rest
(Luffy/zoro/sanji taking on by far the strongest cp9 members , in the desert where the 3 attacked the dragon , in pre ts sabondy when the 3 attacked the pacifecta in a combo moves, post time skip when the 3 one shot the pacifecta , when the 3 separated in 3 groups leading the rest , in skypia when the 3 got attacked by wiper etc........)

doesn’t mean they’re equal
Obviously they’re not
It’s always luffy>Zoro>sanji
But the dynamic of the “M3” was and will always be there
Most of us know this, they are just refusing to believe it bcs to them putting Sanji on the same pedestal is a sin - despite Oda doing it hundreds of times
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#67
Being loyal is one thing
Being a tool to cut shit and nothing else is another

That is why Zoro in my opinion regressed a lot. He lost his soul as a character which he had. That hard shell that would tell the crew to fix their shit or he will walk out. We had a glimps of that in Punk Hazard and Zou and then it fades away like it never happened since both times his words fell on deaf ears and he did nothing about it
What the fuck are you talking about.
He told luffy sort his shit out and luffy beat cesar.
They discussed sanjis situation in zou
Both were right
Luffy was right that sanji needed help
Zoro was right that itd make 2 yonko oppose them
But what are they to do when the life of one of their own is on the line
Luffy even knew zoro was worried about sanji
Even a few chapters ago he told luffy stay on guard.
You dont have any valid points.
Once again pre skip in w7/el we had this dialogue
Luffy - zoro cut that ship
Zoro - ok
This isnt anything new.
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
#68
If the meltdown is this much in this thread just imagine the Zoro thread.
Trust me, i will get so much shit for Zoro thread. But it aint nothing compared to my time on OJ where i got death threats for bashing Luffy
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What the fuck are you talking about.
He told luffy sort his shit out and luffy beat cesar.
And then Luffy proceeds to do 50 dumb moments for 1 good.

They discussed sanjis situation in zou
Both were right
Luffy was right that sanji needed help
Zoro was right that itd make 2 yonko oppose them
But what are they to do when the life of one of their own is on the line
Luffy even knew zoro was worried about sanji
Even a few chapters ago he told luffy stay on guard.
They were both right, but Zoro's disproval of the expedition only to be put down so easily is abysmal. We knew he cares for Sanji yet he had to voice his disproval that fell on deaf ears bcs we know from the start Luffy was gonna pick a fight with them regardless bcs of Candy situation in fishmand island

Luffy - zoro cut that ship
Zoro - ok
This isnt anything new.
You are barking one instance compared to dozen others post TS
 

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
#69
Luffy: declares war against Big Mom while still on Fishman Island.
Zoro: "how could that cook make Big Mom fight us when we are going for Kaido?:josad:"

WG fans: HE IS TOTALLY RIGHT OMG. COMPLETELY SANJI'S FAULT.
Despite the fact that Big Mom would probably chase them for missing the Tea Party anyway :kayneshrug:
 
#73
Agree with most of your points and Sanji has definitely degraded as a character post-TS. And yes, the gap between Zoro and Sanji has increased a lot since then.
Why will Oda put 3 people from just a single pirate crew in the SNs? That would portray Luffy as a God among the Worstgens with literally 0 fucking competition. It's obvious that he chose to put the stronger 2.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#79
And then Luffy proceeds to do 50 dumb moments for 1 good.
What ?
he went to cesar and beat him

They were both right, but Zoro's disproval of the expedition only to be put down so easily is abysmal. We knew he cares for Sanji yet he had to voice his disproval that fell on deaf ears bcs we know from the start Luffy was gonna pick a fight with them regardless bcs of Candy situation in fishmand island
how is it a slight on zoro that luffy went to save luffy ?
these points make no sense
pekoms told luffy sanji was forced what else was supposed to happen ?

You are barking one instance compared to dozen others post TS
if it happened pre skip its not a regression is it
also what numerous times post skip go on ?
 
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