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[Zenos7]

Mind elaborating

Having a strong barrier that the enemy will not be able to penetrate.

Or maybe penetration haki negates/counters each other...Otherwise it'd be mad op i guess...

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His hand had already let go of the blade though when we see the hilt

nah, in the middle panel of the page i shared above. The hilt doesnt seem to be black.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

His hand had already let go of the blade though when we see the hilt

nah, in the middle panel of the page i shared above. The hilt doesnt seem to be black.

 

[Rosella.Fiamingo]

Having a strong barrier that the enemy will not be able to penetrate.

Or maybe penetration haki negates/counters each other...Otherwise it'd be mad op i guess...

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nah, in the middle panel of the page i shared above. The hilt doesnt seem to be black.

I agree as well. It’s why just like FS i don’t think it’s infallible. There has to be a way that top tier should fight each other for days while having something so stupidly strong like durability bypass.

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Well I guess that’s a mistake on the wikis part but his blade does have the same goopy dripping on a smaller level that Zoro has when he used hardening

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Since some are ignored , I can go back to commenting on this thread topic

It’s hard to spread nonsense headcanon when people are constantly correcting you isn’t it?

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

It’s hard to spread nonsense headcanon when people are constantly correcting you isn’t it?

Major with the facts.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

It’s hard to spread nonsense headcanon when people are constantly correcting you isn’t it?

Please go correct yourself with your Navy wanks or whatever.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Please go correct yourself with your Navy wanks or whatever.

You know he is right which is why you are not even trying to deny it.

 

[Finalbeta]

I hope we ll get to see actual new colors of armament soon enough.

 

[Geo]

Look at the hilt of the blade, it's not black.

When hardening is used on the blade it is usually black entirely.

Spoiler

Exactly this. Even the anime which is known for putting haki where there is none didn't show it hardened.
Also IIRC the coloured version also didn't have it blackened.


It is possible however that Raisin's sword could be a black blade. When Zoro first got shusui , he made a statement which implied that he knew about black blade before. Essentially if there were only 2 black blades in the one piece world, Zoro wouldn't have known about them as much as he did and the statement he made implied that there were multiple black blades in the world.

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Something I've been wondering about is whether Ryou also includes life force and not just haki.
When Enma releases Zoro's Ryou, his hand shrinks. Overusing hako doesn't shrink body parts but just exhausts the individual. So does that mean Zoro's life force was also released along with his haki? He was also able to retrieve said life force back. would that be an application of life return?

 

[Zenos7]

Exactly this. Even the anime which is known for putting haki where there is none didn't show it hardened.
Also IIRC the coloured version also didn't have it blackened.

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Something I've been wondering about is whether Ryou also includes life force and not just haki.
When Enma releases Zoro's Ryou, his hand shrinks. Overusing hako doesn't shrink body parts but just exhausts the individual. So does that mean Zoro's life force was also released along with his haki? He was also able to retrieve said life force back. would that be an application of life return?

IMO zoros arm shriveled up just because of enma drawing excessive haki from him, that he normally wouldnt be using to that extent.

 

[Geo]

IMO zoros arm shriveled up just because of enma drawing excessive haki from him, that he normally wouldnt be using to that extent.

But wouldn't that mean haki includes life force?
Which would contradict previous cases where Luffy overused his haki but didn't shrivel up.

 

[Zenos7]

But wouldn't that mean haki includes life force?
Which would contradict previous cases where Luffy overused his haki but didn't shrivel up.

Spoiler

He is talking about spiritual energy here, not sure if it includes "life force" though.

 

[Geo]

Spoiler

He is talking about spiritual energy here, not sure if it includes "life force" though.

Well here he is referring to COOs sensing ability. But given that Blackbeard could sense Luffy's haki level, maybe life force is included

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

When Zoro first got shusui , he made a statement which implied that he knew about black blade before.

Which statement are you referring to? I am quite interested now.

 

[Geo]

Which statement are you referring to? I am quite interested now.

It was the statement where he made reference to the durability of a black blade in by making the dinosaur statement.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

It was the statement where he made reference to the durability of a black blade in by making the dinosaur statement.

I'll have to check it later to see the context. Thank you.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Well here he is referring to COOs sensing ability. But given that Blackbeard could sense Luffy's haki level, maybe life force is included

Or perhaps looking at the blade, and swinging it around and clashing it with Oars arm, he figured out that the blade is extremely durable?

 

[Rosella.Fiamingo]

Would Mihawk need Haki to Cut Jozu?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Would Mihawk need Haki to Cut Jozu?

If the technique Zoro used in Alabasta is Haki based then yes.
Oda is bastardizing his manga, making everything about Haki, I woulda preferred Zoro's cut on Daz Bones to be a specific technique that deals with skill of swordsmen but Oda made it about Ryouou by having Hyogoro say the same thing Zoro said "Ryouou allows Haki users to be able to cut everything they want to cut and nothing they don't want to cut"

Though Mihawk is a freak of nature, cutting an Island sized Iceberg casually. Even if he can't cut Jozu, with pure blunt force he can break Jozu and kill him. Zoro couldn't cut steel up until Alabasta but he could break steel all the way back in Arlong Park

 

[Rosella.Fiamingo]

If the technique Zoro used in Alabasta is Haki based then yes.
Oda is bastardizing his manga, making everything about Haki, I woulda preferred Zoro's cut on Daz Bones to be a specific technique that deals with skill of swordsmen but Oda made it about Ryouou by having Hyogoro say the same thing Zoro said "Ryouou allows Haki users to be able to cut everything they want to cut and nothing they don't want to cut"

Though Mihawk is a freak of nature, cutting an Island sized Iceberg casually. Even if he can't cut Jozu, with pure blunt force he can break Jozu and kill him. Zoro couldn't cut steel up until Alabasta but he could break steel all the way back in Arlong Park

Yea I would like this stuff to not be Haki to be honest... It makes no sense for it to be haki. I think im with Kaneki's explanation on this issue but it's likely to be wrong with how Oda wants to tie things up quickly. It makes much more sense for BOAT to be a skill tied to Swordsmanship and that masters like Mihawk should be able to cut Diamond even without the use of Haki.