Powers & Abilities General CoA Discussion - Basic & Advanced
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Yo, I've skimmed through the thread and read the opening post.
There is imo one major misunderstanding going on here.
Covering a weapon in haki is not automatically = advanced CoA 1/Shockwave/Barrier CoA. This way hardening your swords would mean, that characters are letting their haki flow -via an "advanced usage"- onto their weapons in order to then apply the inferior basic application. Which doesn't make much sense. And every average Joe without any CoA hype would therefore have advanced CoA, just because he once hardened his weapon. That's obviously not the case. Insert *random marines with hardened weapons pushing the birdcage/ that random BM pirate Kid with a hardened sword*
It's imo like that:
You exert haki around your body, that you can learn to compress to a tougher version of itself (hardening) or that you can let flow. What many characters in armed combat do, is letting bits of theirs flow onto their weapon and then go on to harden it, in order to strengthen their weapon. Cause hardening is obviously still the superior application in comparison to the normal "unmanipulated" state.
What you can also do is, to gather much bigger amounts from all around your body in specific spots, which you can then release/shoot out on contact(Barrier CoA), put into your slashes (Enma concept) or harden all of it up (Block Mochi),
That's imo what the barrier haki concept is and that is what Enma is doing with its wielders during those Enma slashes and that's what Zoro/Luffy were learning to control.
It's the advanced usage of the flowing concept, but the flowing concept on itself is not the advanced usage of CoA. You get me here? It actually makes a big difference.
That's how hardening is still superior to its "normal" usage, without any contradictions,. That's how not any random dude suddenly has advanced armament haki (like for example Alabasta Zoro) and that's how you can chose to not cut anything or even steel (let it stay in base form or compress it).
Perhaps the block mochi style is the way how Vergo muscled up his bamboo to such extremes and how he got that buffed look in the end against Law. This might explain it, cause we knew he was a CoA specialist afterall.
Edit: And the most advanced stage, where brawlers are finally getting lethal aswell, is obviously the penetration tech, ladv lvl 2.
Btw an alternative to the making of a black sword, other than "I hardened it for x amounts of battles" might be that you are using penetration haki onto your weapon, while you simultanously lock that ,normally very destructive energy, up via your own hardening.
Pre going to bed thoughts right here.
There is imo one major misunderstanding going on here.
Covering a weapon in haki is not automatically = advanced CoA 1/Shockwave/Barrier CoA. This way hardening your swords would mean, that characters are letting their haki flow -via an "advanced usage"- onto their weapons in order to then apply the inferior basic application. Which doesn't make much sense. And every average Joe without any CoA hype would therefore have advanced CoA, just because he once hardened his weapon. That's obviously not the case. Insert *random marines with hardened weapons pushing the birdcage/ that random BM pirate Kid with a hardened sword*
It's imo like that:
You exert haki around your body, that you can learn to compress to a tougher version of itself (hardening) or that you can let flow. What many characters in armed combat do, is letting bits of theirs flow onto their weapon and then go on to harden it, in order to strengthen their weapon. Cause hardening is obviously still the superior application in comparison to the normal "unmanipulated" state.
What you can also do is, to gather much bigger amounts from all around your body in specific spots, which you can then release/shoot out on contact(Barrier CoA), put into your slashes (Enma concept) or harden all of it up (Block Mochi),
That's imo what the barrier haki concept is and that is what Enma is doing with its wielders during those Enma slashes and that's what Zoro/Luffy were learning to control.
It's the advanced usage of the flowing concept, but the flowing concept on itself is not the advanced usage of CoA. You get me here? It actually makes a big difference.
That's how hardening is still superior to its "normal" usage, without any contradictions,. That's how not any random dude suddenly has advanced armament haki (like for example Alabasta Zoro) and that's how you can chose to not cut anything or even steel (let it stay in base form or compress it).
Perhaps the block mochi style is the way how Vergo muscled up his bamboo to such extremes and how he got that buffed look in the end against Law. This might explain it, cause we knew he was a CoA specialist afterall.
Edit: And the most advanced stage, where brawlers are finally getting lethal aswell, is obviously the penetration tech, ladv lvl 2.
Btw an alternative to the making of a black sword, other than "I hardened it for x amounts of battles" might be that you are using penetration haki onto your weapon, while you simultanously lock that ,normally very destructive energy, up via your own hardening.
Pre going to bed thoughts right here.
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Oh, so you mean what zoro did in alabasta would be the basic application of what we are now learning about with the flow of haki, whereas both zoro and luffy are now learning an advanced version of that?
And also Hardening being an advanced version of the invisible haki used to make logias intangible?
And also Hardening being an advanced version of the invisible haki used to make logias intangible?
Meh, it was a 50/50 one :D I wasn't too sure anymore.
Yep, and noteworthy is, that Zoro only could do so in reaction to the breath of things and in this case Mr1's steel or steel in general. That might be a further limitation. Like "Yeah I feel that steel and my gut feeling tells me, my sword should "behave" that way" kinda thing. You get what I mean`? Like it wasn't an entirely reliable overall concept he had access to and he himself couldn't really transfer it onto other things.
Yeah, exactly.> Hardening, like the word says. describes a process afterall.
Which ones? And thanks :)
Yep, and noteworthy is, that Zoro only could do so in reaction to the breath of things and in this case Mr1's steel or steel in general. That might be a further limitation. Like "Yeah I feel that steel and my gut feeling tells me, my sword should "behave" that way" kinda thing. You get what I mean`? Like it wasn't an entirely reliable overall concept he had access to and he himself couldn't really transfer it onto other things.
Yeah, exactly.> Hardening, like the word says. describes a process afterall.
Which ones? And thanks :)
yeah he barely understood what was going on at that time, and i guess this haki blooming in extreme situations thing could have applied
Seems to be the case. I dont remember every koka panel, but i always thought there were other instances without the hilt, not sure right now.
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Look at the hilt of the blade, it's not black.
When hardening is used on the blade it is usually black entirely.
When hardening is used on the blade it is usually black entirely.