Anyone who questions if Enma is a power up or not does not have any credibility to even try to debate and argue with them...
The only thing that is left for those people to be convinced it's a power up is for Oda to hold a gun right at their face screaming saying it's a power up, and even then they will say "Oda is just acting, he's not gonna shoot"
Anyone who questions if Enma is a power up or not does not have any credibility to even try to debate and argue with them...
The only thing that is left for those people to be convinced it's a power up is for Oda to hold a gun right at their face screaming saying it's a power up, and even then they will say "Oda is just acting, he's not gonna shoot"
Of course it's a kind of 'power up' but it's more like a hamster running wheel.
It trains both Zoro's haki strength and haki control by pulling it out of him.
Only people who can handle it/'earned' it get special swords.
So saying it's just a power up that would make anyone stonger is plain Zoro downplaying and hate. Like, just read the manga for what it is.
How can you tell? I am fairly sure that it isnt a PU at all. It literally did the same as Ame no Habakiri.
On Zoro, the only difference is that it has weird haki(?) flames around it. Otherwise, no difference in performance.
That's something not present on Oden and I am completely blank about where Oda is going with that.
Just the usual bullshit from people holding their tears while getting proven wrong everytime.
As for the power up debate, I have mixed feelings. I love power ups and see both Emma and Raid Suit as such and see no problem, but a lot of people look at power ups like a completly bad thing like an insult to the characters.
He was pulling haki out before Enma too. Look at the amounts used in DR against Pica's golem...
The thing he did with Enma was learning to prevent it from draining more haki than he already releases.
My newest theory is that there are still some excess amounts left which Enma is able to attract but gotta see where Oda is going...
He was pulling haki out before Enma too. Look at the amounts used in DR against Pica's golem...
The thing he did with Enma was learning to prevent it from draining more haki than he already releases.
Anyone who questions if Enma is a power up or not does not have any credibility to even try to debate and argue with them...
The only thing that is left for those people to be convinced it's a power up is for Oda to hold a gun right at their face screaming saying it's a power up, and even then they will say "Oda is just acting, he's not gonna shoot"
You didn't eve read my post did you?
I am not arguing for Enma not being a power up, its Zoro's natural power progression, Enma is used to Oden level so Zoro had to train for 10 days to raise his Haki to Oden level so he can use Enma and when he raised his Haki he got stornger.
Enma Zoro is low top tier
Dressrosa Zoro is between Katakuri and top tier
The fact that one sword slash does more damage now than Zoro's ultimate ougi.
Pica's waist is thinner than the horn diameter much less the fact that Slash traveled 5 kms.
Using enma is like trying to do single shots with a full auto firearm,it takes immense trigger discipline to do so!Most of the people will end up doing a small burst!
How can you tell? I am fairly sure that it isnt a PU at all. It literally did the same as Ame no Habakiri.
On Zoro, the only difference is that it has weird haki(?) flames around it. Otherwise, no difference in performance.
That's something not present on Oden and I am completely blank about where Oda is going with that.
Zoro’s own words if he can gets the hang of the sword he will get stronger and that’s the case as we see in his performance against Kaido. You are denying manga facts... I don’t have to hate Zoro to say it’s an obvious PU, any one who reads the manga properly can see that. Not sure why you are so against the obvious. Just like how the RS is a PU for Sanji Enma was given to Zoro as a PU.
I'm not sure what's so complicated about differentiating between the words "Haki" and "Ryuo" from the words "Soul" and "Presence". They aren't the same at all.
Kawamatsu tells us that the soul that resides in a sword makes the wielder strong, not the haki but the soul. This goes for every other samurai in the raid that is also using the Swords of dead Samurai. They are all stronger as a result of the soul that lives in the blade.
Hitetsu tells us that before or after, only one person has ever tamed Enma and that was Oden. This implies that irrespective of Oden, Enma was always special.
Zoro's arm shrivels up as Enma takes his Hakifrom him. Then he takeshis own haki back from Enma. Unless of course, you want to believe that "Oden's haki" is now living inside of Zoro's body.
Hitetsu tells us that Enma exudes its owner's Ryuo on its own and that it slices more than needed. This is what makes Enma special.
Zoro's first attack on Kaido with Enma doesn't do much meaningful damage, therefore he has to unleash Enma more because he's not letting it take enough of his own haki. Since Zoro is over restricting Enma, we aren't seeing what makes Enma special and neither is Kaido (a.k.a, he doesn't notice it).
In the very next chapter, Zoro lets Enma take a very large amount of haki from him. Kaido is confused since this doesn't resemble one of the swords from a minute ago. Additionally, Big Mom tells Kaido to dodge since it's no ordinary sword. (She's correct, Enma is special).
Right after the attack, Kaido asks himself "How does [Zoro's] katana bear the presence of Oden within it?". This is a good question from Kaido, why would some random swordsman's blade have Oden's presence in it? This gets answered later on.
We see Zoro huffing as a result of Enma taking a large amount of his haki, we can now deduce that there is a consequence for "unleashing" too much of Enma.
Zoro does a three-sword style attack however, Enma is singled out because it's the sword that has the most of his haki in comparison to all of the other swords (look at the effect). This makes sense because, with his other swords, Zoro has to manually flow his haki into them. With Enma, the sword takes his haki, all Zoro has to do is regulate how much of his haki the sword takes. Think of it like this, prior to Enma, Zoro is able to put 30% of his own haki into his swords. With Enma, he can now put 60% of his own haki into his swords. Of course, these are just arbitrary numbers, but you get the point. That's what Enma allows him to do and that's why Enma is so special.
As he sees the incoming attack, Kaido wonders to himself if Enma is the source of that strange Haki. Notice how he finds the haki strange and not familiar? Why would Kaido, a man who's felt and seen Oden's haki in the past not recognise Oden's haki with now 2 confrontations with it?
Finally, after further inspection, Kaido gets the answer to his question from earlier. Why does Zoro's katana bear the presence of Oden within it? Well, it's because it's Oden's sword, and if you recall what Kawamatsu said earlier. The soul of a samurai essentially remains in their katana. Hence why it gives Kaido the vibe of Oden. This tells us that the pain that Kaido receives after an Enma attack is the same while the sensation of the haki is different. (But But Oden's haki??)
So to finish, Enma 100% uses Zoro's haki.
However, Zoro is stronger because Oden's soul resides in Enma. This isn't just for Zoro, but for every Samurai using the swords of other fallen Samurai.
Interesting post just a detail, hasnt it been told Oden had more than 1 sword? In that case we can't state that odens soul is in Emma. It can partially be.
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