Anime & Manga Sanji fans are really Judge's sons/daughters.
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No it's not. That's not the point of that scene. That's one of the least important aspects of that scene in fact.
Also it would not be true for Zoro either the way you phrased it. He only took what Luffy experienced after his special body/durability reduced the impact of the attacks.
If Zoro were to take the island splitting punch from Moria in Luffy's place he'd be a splatter of blood, since he's not rubber.
Also it would not be true for Zoro either the way you phrased it. He only took what Luffy experienced after his special body/durability reduced the impact of the attacks.
If Zoro were to take the island splitting punch from Moria in Luffy's place he'd be a splatter of blood, since he's not rubber.
Nope I didn’t. I don’t like to connect people and their favorite characters bc they aren’t real characters. That would mean I would apply the same logic to myself. But I’m not like Zoro or Luffy, I don’t have their good or bad traits. Just like I’m sure you don’t have Sanji or Laws good or bad traits.
But what is true is you calling me Childish. Which if we are going to resort to name calling then I think we are done here now and going forwards. Peace.
But what is true is you calling me Childish. Which if we are going to resort to name calling then I think we are done here now and going forwards. Peace.
No its not its THE most important part of the scene showing he can step in for luffy when needed and take the burden
Just like hes doing now vs 2 yonko
Its why he will be vice captain not sanji.
He took everything luffy went through without the rubber defence including luffy literally killing himself combining gears.
Just like hes doing now vs 2 yonko
Its why he will be vice captain not sanji.
He took everything luffy went through without the rubber defence including luffy literally killing himself combining gears.
I don't get this thread. Suddenly wanting to Sanji to get a full-on fight isn't understanding the character well? People always bring up how Sanji's a cook first and, while that's true, post-timeskip, he almost always gets involved in some sort of confrontation due to needing to protect others. Is it so strange to want to see him get a big fight after all this time when he has pretty good showings against some pretty strong fighters? Sanji didn't think twice about saving Momo from King and Queen. He clearly isn't focused solely on strength but he's obviously strong and he'll have to continue to get stronger to protect the weaker members of the crew. He rushed in to protect Tashigi from Vergo, the Straw Hats from Doffy, Chiffon from Oven, Carrot from Daifuku, Reiju, with Luffy's help, from Big Mom and as previously mentioned Momo from King. He's clearly going to continue to put himself at risk for the sake of others as that's what he does, why is wanting him to get a full-on, undisrupted fight against Queen or someone else strong a bad thing and if it's not a bad thing then what's the point of claiming Sanji isn't necessarily a fighter?
Is it so strange to think he'll make it big in the world even if he doesn't proclaim some dream related to strength? I'm not saying Sanji needs to be Zoro's level but what's wrong with hoping he becomes stronger in general? I like Sanji for who he is but a fighter is also one of his traits. He doesn't have to train or proclaim his dream to get stronger, he's clearly made it far and will continue to get stronger. How strong? We'll see. Not every significant figure in the world has to proclaim some sort of dream related to strength. It's not always about Luffy and Zoro, sometimes Sanji fans just want to see more from Sanji.
This is brought up a lot, and while perhaps true, the next time we see Sanji he saves Momo from execution. Literally, the most significant moment of a character almost dying this arc as everything would fall apart without Momo to take over as Shogun and everyone just brushes it off. Like, how do people claim that Sanji is goofing off then pretend he didn't rescue Momo from two Calamities. Not saying, Sanji goofing off ain't some to condemn but he wasn't just doing that, in fact all we see is him saving Momo. We get no word about there actually being prostitutes. He basically ran off then saved Momo at the perfect time. Was still bad as he left Carrot and Nami alone, I'll admit.
Is it so strange to think he'll make it big in the world even if he doesn't proclaim some dream related to strength? I'm not saying Sanji needs to be Zoro's level but what's wrong with hoping he becomes stronger in general? I like Sanji for who he is but a fighter is also one of his traits. He doesn't have to train or proclaim his dream to get stronger, he's clearly made it far and will continue to get stronger. How strong? We'll see. Not every significant figure in the world has to proclaim some sort of dream related to strength. It's not always about Luffy and Zoro, sometimes Sanji fans just want to see more from Sanji.
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This is brought up a lot, and while perhaps true, the next time we see Sanji he saves Momo from execution. Literally, the most significant moment of a character almost dying this arc as everything would fall apart without Momo to take over as Shogun and everyone just brushes it off. Like, how do people claim that Sanji is goofing off then pretend he didn't rescue Momo from two Calamities. Not saying, Sanji goofing off ain't some to condemn but he wasn't just doing that, in fact all we see is him saving Momo. We get no word about there actually being prostitutes. He basically ran off then saved Momo at the perfect time. Was still bad as he left Carrot and Nami alone, I'll admit.
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Well, Sanji was stabbed by Absalom in that arc the way Zoro was stabbed by Kamazou in Wano before fainting so :kizabat:
See, many Zoro fans would actually run with that and push that notion, ignoring other significant story cues just to push their narratives.
I absolutely disagree that being able to survive the pain from Luffy was the most important aspect of that scene, the way @HA001 claims is the case.
I do however agree that Zoro being allowed to make the sacrifice is a nod from Oda over Sanji, in his favor. Naturally, like the unbiased person i am also acknowledging the significance of pushing Sanji alongside him as the final two standing and ready to make that sacrifice.
Zoro was all but dead, so i absolutely could see Sanji dying in his place. The fact that we've seen him surviving it and making the sacrifice is enough though to give him the portrayal advantage without trying to push anything more on Sanji.
I do actually agree with @HA001 that he is most suited to support Luffy, and that's why he is now on the roof alongside him. I do agree that he is the closest thing Luffy has to a First Mate in the crew.
Even when Oda singles out both Zoro and Sanji from the rest, Zoro edges Sanji out.
If only others would be 10% as willing to acknowledge Sanji's merits as i am to acknowledge Zoro's.
See, many Zoro fans would actually run with that and push that notion, ignoring other significant story cues just to push their narratives.
I absolutely disagree that being able to survive the pain from Luffy was the most important aspect of that scene, the way @HA001 claims is the case.
I do however agree that Zoro being allowed to make the sacrifice is a nod from Oda over Sanji, in his favor. Naturally, like the unbiased person i am also acknowledging the significance of pushing Sanji alongside him as the final two standing and ready to make that sacrifice.
Zoro was all but dead, so i absolutely could see Sanji dying in his place. The fact that we've seen him surviving it and making the sacrifice is enough though to give him the portrayal advantage without trying to push anything more on Sanji.
I do actually agree with @HA001 that he is most suited to support Luffy, and that's why he is now on the roof alongside him. I do agree that he is the closest thing Luffy has to a First Mate in the crew.
Even when Oda singles out both Zoro and Sanji from the rest, Zoro edges Sanji out.
If only others would be 10% as willing to acknowledge Sanji's merits as i am to acknowledge Zoro's.
Thats true for a lot of them. This forum might be full of Zoro fans (which is not 100% accurate. Many are fake who will change sides if they move to other forums). Dont forget the statements that got popular during WCI in a pro-Sanji forum like OJ "Sanji was never shown to be a kind person, this is completely new narrative by Oda blah blah". I saw many Sanji fans agreeing with it when "kindness" was the main reason Luffy invited him to the crew. It was the moment when Sanji brought food for Gin that Luffy decided to invite him. Even now you won't see much defense from his fans against statements like "Sanji is selfish because of his chivalry", but talk about his strength compared to Zoro, holy shit, they will defend Sanji like their life depends on it.
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Nah with you, all jokes aside, even with the introduction of Jinbei, Luffys top men are Zoro and Sanji. I won’t take that credit away.
And I also wouldn’t say this to any other Sanji fan beside @Kuro Ashi
I wanna make this abundantly clear
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And I also wouldn’t say this to any other Sanji fan beside @Kuro Ashi
I wanna make this abundantly clear
I don't see why they covet the crew cook to be stronger than the crew swordsman at all costs. Yes they could object and say that doesn't mean anything since it's just air, but in reality you realize a series of things related to Zoro's style and Sanji's. Zoro is not simply merely carrying swords, there's a lot behind that. Just like Sanji remains prominently the cook and regardless of being such or not has no reason to become a super powerhouse.
Does he train like a pack animal like Zoro does?
Is he particularly talented he doesn't need to?
Is he as special as Whitebeard hence an exception to the norm?
None of these in reality occur.
So despite the difference between a swordsman and a cook is by itself null, if we look at the thing more broadly we figure.
Does he train like a pack animal like Zoro does?
Is he particularly talented he doesn't need to?
Is he as special as Whitebeard hence an exception to the norm?
None of these in reality occur.
So despite the difference between a swordsman and a cook is by itself null, if we look at the thing more broadly we figure.
They are really hopeless. @Kuro Ashi and @WesMidnight doing their best to explain it to these ''no top 3 just Luffy, Zoro then whoever next'' heads, but they just can't understand that the Kuma scene is just for showing how Zoro can sacrifice everything for his captain Luffy, not power level.
And these no top 3 headers think its power level thing. No one is going to die from SH pirates, if it was Sanji he was going to survive Kuma too. Frigging Usopp survived Hybrid Ulti's headbutt. Everyone survived Enel, Pell survived a bomb that could blow Alabasta capital. That's how this series is, no one dies.
Zoro wankers: KuMa scEne Is PoWEr LeVeL.
And these no top 3 headers think its power level thing. No one is going to die from SH pirates, if it was Sanji he was going to survive Kuma too. Frigging Usopp survived Hybrid Ulti's headbutt. Everyone survived Enel, Pell survived a bomb that could blow Alabasta capital. That's how this series is, no one dies.
Zoro wankers: KuMa scEne Is PoWEr LeVeL.
this is actually a good point. he left carrot and nami alone. he's actually growing as a person and trusting in his female allies instead of going overboard with his chivalry and demeaning them by acting like he has to protect them. the scene in 1004 also backs this up with "dont underestimate nico robin." Sanji understands he doesnt HAVE to save her, because Nico Robin is strong, and so are Nami and Carrot
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