Who is this "Oden"?


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Swordsmen like oden and zoro obviously all

Yea sanji is clearly very good at this fire thing. It doesn't mean it's any different than what the others are using, just to a different degree. Marigold has something flammable on her? And just somehow doesn't get hurt by it? Stop. If this was a vinsmoke tech judge would have Gloster and taken credit. This is the same as luffy uses, king, marigold, foza and more. Sanji is just a specialist in it and has much greater control of it at this point than most others we have seen.
This isnt from Judge. The whole point is that it was Sora's Drug that modified Sanji, so he lost Judge's modifications. Anything new he got, it was due to the drug....

Marigold is a Zoan, she has tough skin to protect herself....

What Sanji has nothing close to other people. At this point Sanji is a Paramecia Fire user. I dont see how you find it logical that a normal being Sanji just shits out fire without a special fire style, weapon, technique, DF. You just somehow believe Sanji creates flames from thin air whilst still being normal....
 
I don't think of it that way.

For me enma is a training tool that allows Zoro to train his haki control so he wont get drained as fast as reckless Luffy does.

Zoro could perform Dragon Blaze even with Shusui. The only difference is that it would cost him more haki output.
Eh that's fair. Honestly I don't care all that much about how exactly Enma works because it Changes nothing relevant about Zoro. It is Zoro's sword so who cares what he can do or can't do without it.
 

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Eh that's fair. Honestly I don't care all that much about how exactly Enma works because it Changes nothing relevant about Zoro. It is Zoro's sword so who cares what he can do or can't do without it.
That sword goes to the bin after Wano and he takes Nidai.
 
I see the "logic" but at the same time, Shanks became a Yonko AFTER losing his arm so its kind of funny to see it get thrown around.

Edit: Now I see the point @Monkey D Luffy was making

Honestly, I'm even curious if Shanks thinks its a handicap. Like the dude can straight up tank a punch from Akainu or Whitebeard with 1 arm and not even care. Its...interesting to say the least.
In all honesty when Roger was at his peak with a terminal illness I don’t think a missing arm is that serious for shanks
 

Seth

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Lolz I hope not, I want him to get both but hey if that means he leaves with shusui which is likely a sword from his ancestor I Role with that too. They are all cool swords.
No it's not. We don't need a sword that was wielded by a loser like Oden.
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Zoro will use all three swords of Shimotsuki origin, Wado Ichimonji, Enma and Shunsui
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Again, you are literally confirming my philosophy that being a giant doesnt increase your chances of being hit by an attack. That was the basis of my argument. I do not care about your headcanon of being big = some equivilent of being caught off guard. That was never apart of my original comment. No idea why you are trying to twist this by adding your own irrelevant logic.

Kaido tanking attacks is a different convo. Difference is he is choosing to take on those attacks because his body is durable he can easily avoid/block all those attacks if he really wanted too.

Just to be clear- I am giving these specific examples to allude to the point of bigger beings in OP being just as agile and fast

You do fit the bill of BleakWall perfectly
bro first of all this has nothing to do "philosophy" in anyway shape or form
second of all are u saying that Kaido chose to writhe in agony.. I'm pretty sure the reason why he resorted to hybrid was coz he was getting blitzes left and right and couldn't keep up with the form he was in.. and after the beating he got from luffy bruh even BM admitted that they have underestimated SN's.. his big body was a open free target mid air.. plus maneuvering on land is different than air.. and worst case as a serpent.

Look look bro i agree with the fact that just coz someone is big doesn't mean they are slow.. true i get the oars part too...but what I mean is that just coz the opponent is fast in his big DF that doesn't mean that they would be able to perceive and evade every move which is definitively false.. thats what i meant.. kaido being able to dodge or not doesn't matter if he can't perceive and react to attacks in his form... and thats where i disagreed that.. its quite opposite for kaido even if lets assume he's mobile in his df form.. he has pretty much shown to be a very easy target in his DF form .. the same analogy goes for oars even tho he is mobile (a statement that i didn't disagreed upon) he has been shown to be an easy target regardless of his mobility.. what make him an easy target is his size.. in Kaku's case he's relatively shorter or small compared to the 2 behemoths.. hence his perception make for a good counter ... plus the only reason why zoro couldn't cut his neck is coz Kaku used Ryankaku the flying leg slash thing... but the point is that Kaku cannot be compared to behemoths like kaido and oars since its still really easy to react to attacks and perceive them with Kaku's size which also reduces the number of attacks that can land on his body.. he is big enough to counter any attack to his weak spots like he did against zoro..but kaido and Oars are so big that its quite the opposite for them when u compare them with a relatively agile and perceptive guy like Kaku.. (they can't perceive attacks and tend to be an easier target) .. ... and kaido hadn't hinted of him taking all the attack just to test the SN if he did then he wouldn't have countered their attacks too what is head canon is assuming that he let them hit.. bruh.. plus whats with u calling whatever u disagree with head canon without even backing up your claim with fax... pretty ironic

so your "philosophy" has some untended holes.. hope that patches things up.

..... soo yea thats 10/10 logik right there.. you're understanding will determine your IQ... please don't shame your name's reputation :)
 
It makes the MOST SENSE....

The reason is really simple, the Final Enemy is someone who will represent the 100 years of void century... a powerful figure who was in that time/era... and started this whole mess of creating what it's called "The World Government" and not some orphan who got a refuge on WB ship to attain power to find One Piece, or an admiral of Navy who hates Pirates.... it makes ZERO SENSE... the enemy is someone who will basically tie EVERYTHING from beginning of series until now, storywise... basically to tie and connect every dot in story.... hell, maybe the existance of DFs and how it came to be, and so on will be revealed during that event... maybe even how Haki was originated in human....

in summery, this has ALWAYS BEEN the formula for Long Running shonen....
- Bleach started with Ichigo (shinigami) meeting Ishida (Quincy) and stories were told about animosity between the two types, the story focused then on Hollows... but at the end of day, IT ALL CAME BACK as a circle to the "Shinigami vs Quincy" final war... representing thousand years history ever since the early beginning of story.... of Soul King/Juha Bach/Yamamoto....etc...

- Naruto: Same formula, it all came back to the originator of Chakra, the sage of 6th path, resulted in revealing his Mom the true originator) Kaguya.... (small note, sage of 6th path would have made better final villain imo, but that's fine LOL).... anyway, all this talk about Madara this, madara that, is exactly like how people in One Piece are in denial and thinking Blackbeard or Akainu are final villains...they won't

One Piece will have same formula and the STORY is going that direction with introduction of Imu-sama already....
Very good analysis...100 percent agreed :cheers:
 
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