Who is this "Oden"?


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HA001

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Oh for sure I wasn't calling @bennbeckman out there, I was just showing the numbers dont lie. Before Zoro was on the roof, people were more split/angled to Zoro vs King. Once he got on the roof (999+), people understood why he was there and why it makes sense.

The point is peoples opinions change based on what Oda does. Its hindsight bias to claim everyone was on board with Zoro vs Kaido when only certain people were really believing it. And @nik87 @HA001 and a few others have proven their cases and I respect that. I 100% believe they believed it now because i've seen the evidence.

@Seth on the other hand is a flip flop traitor and should keep his mouth shut if people still have opinions about Zoro and King.
Most of us always had zoro vs kaido as in a moment not a fight.

We thought he'd go through king first level up learn fire cutting etc

That's the only way a king fight makes sense


But oda made zoro one of the big players in a full fight vs the yonko instead
And he's already hurt kaido and has fire cutting.

The king fight doesn't make sense from this point on.
 
Will this cause a massive dropping of the series? I mean, if oden is actually alive...
Such a risky move from Oda, lets see how it plays out, hopefully he has something under his sleeve, otherwise, shonen jump should be firing Oda's editors
 
Sanji is no where near Zoro.... that's a fact.

Bepo... he did nothing when he fought on Zou and easily got captured by hawkins, and Momo doesnt need to be there at all.

Zoro fights Yonko in an arc that is befitting to him. As well as Zoro being able to not only cut Kaido but to make Kaido dodge his attack

Sanji bakes a cake for Big Mom in his arc. and is weaker than Judge who is pathetically weak as well
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Thanks Lad
Got it you’re just a hater. No reason to continue this discussion
 

Seth

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Most of us always had zoro vs kaido as in a moment not a fight.

We thought he'd go through king first level up learn fire cutting etc

That's the only way a king fight makes sense


But oda made zoro one of the big players in a full fight vs the yonko instead
And he's already hurt kaido and has fire cutting.

The king fight doesn't make sense from this point on.
He thinks he's an inspector gadget.

It's not like 3/4 of the community had Zoro vs King before Zoro went to the roof.
 
U are just moron. I changed my opinion over the months because we got better treatment.

You are the only crybaby left that expects Zoro to downgrade from Kaido to King.

Before Zoro reached the roof majority of us thought he will fight King.

We changed. We got better. Get lost.
Whatever you say Kanjuro:holdthisl:
 
Oh for sure I wasn't calling @bennbeckman out there, I was just showing the numbers dont lie. Before Zoro was on the roof, people were more split/angled to Zoro vs King. Once he got on the roof (999+), people understood why he was there and why it makes sense.

The point is peoples opinions change based on what Oda does. Its hindsight bias to claim everyone was on board with Zoro vs Kaido when only certain people were really believing it. And @nik87 @HA001 @Zowo and a few others have proven their cases and I respect that. I 100% believe they believed it now because i've seen the evidence.

@Seth on the other hand is a flip flop traitor and should keep his mouth shut if people still have opinions about Zoro and King.
If I am wrong on a prediction like this, i dont mind being called out, it's when people call me out using their own head canon instead of facts or stupid statements, I call them out, and usually make polls that obviously prove me right most the time. Then the excuses come in LOL

People's opinions change yes, but the people who guessed ZvKaido there were multiple panels foreshadowing up to that point. I made my guess based off past fighting patterns
 
Its a game of telephone gone wrong. I literally did not say there weren't Zoro vs Kaido theories before Enma. I said people haven't proved the majority of the fanbase didn't support ZvK up until literally last year. Sample size is low, but here are some examples from this site from people, like @Ice devil slayer , who clearly made the fucking polls, showing that up until Chapter 999, people on this very site thought Zoro vs King was still possible



Even before this:



Oh, and look who voted for Zoro vs King, the one and only @Seth , who insulted people verbally for this fucking observation!




And just to prove to you these aren't "biased anti-zoro fans", a month later @bennbeckman came out with this poll:



Very clearly what this spells out to me is that while people want Zoro up there, a decent amount of people also believe he may get forced back into another fight, ala King, and "certain people" actually have no balls (Seth!) to stick to a side because they are afraid of the pushback on their thoughts.




I work from home due to Covid no skin off my back rofl
"LuffyMazino" :finally::finally:
 
There have been zero indications of this power in the canon, and in fact the opposite was plainly stated on panel:

Tell me with a straight face that you think she used this power to travel 800-ish years into the future and never revealed to her bodyguards that it actually IS possible to return to the past. Also, by your logic, Momo/Kin’emon/Kanjuro/Kiku should be rocketing back in time at a certain point in this war, which is truly asinine. Did you forget that Roger also knew that he and Oden were 20 years too early to do shit? That’s implied to be just a condition of finding Laugh Tale and/or deciphering the Poneglyphs, has nothing to do with someone traveling into the future for ten minutes and coming back. Anyway, kiss my ass with the arrogance, you clearly have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
Toki has always been limited by her own ability to manipulate change... like she shows up and for all she knows and sees, needs Oden to save her.

But for all the overpowered, contrived shit we see with powers, I have a hard time believing that her own is so limited. Did she explain them? Yes... but how do we know why she gave the explanation she did? I can go on and on because Oda has a lot of room to work with this if he wants.

what would she gain if she deceives the scabbards?
How would she know enough to even pass as Oden? Like what could even tell her that she got his garment right?
 
I hope Oda is gonna place Drake and Apoo somewhere/against someone now that the Ice Oni problem seems solved
Same goes for Hawkins, dude is off panel since 17 chapters now, he's going for the 2nd volume of absence :giogio:
 
Oh for sure I wasn't calling @bennbeckman out there, I was just showing the numbers dont lie. Before Zoro was on the roof, people were more split/angled to Zoro vs King. Once he got on the roof (999+), people understood why he was there and why it makes sense.

The point is peoples opinions change based on what Oda does. Its hindsight bias to claim everyone was on board with Zoro vs Kaido when only certain people were really believing it. And @nik87 @HA001 @Zowo and a few others have proven their cases and I respect that. I 100% believe they believed it now because i've seen the evidence.

@Seth on the other hand is a flip flop traitor and should keep his mouth shut if people still have opinions about Zoro and King.
Ahh nah, I understand Seths perspective. Ppl allowed to change opinions. Zoro did do a Mihawk level feat by cutting the horns. Could u imagine King taking that? It’d be a downgrade.

Ofc I shouldn’t talk since I think ZKK and Zoro defeats King :myman:
 
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