Questions & Mysteries Is it the real Oden or is it a fake? And if it's a fake then who is it?

[matt245]

Salah already had a point, it could be Oden who get creat by Toki power who vanish after a certain time.
Or my theory that Toki use her power on the Oden who was in the cell, she teleport him 20years into the future(probably days before the raid start) and he vanished or co back when the certain timelimit end.
Like a hourglass, Oden can only stay for a certain time in the future and must go back:

After the time pass he go back into the past. It would be different as what Toki said, in case Oden would not travel into the past but into the future for a certain time and come back after the time pass.

It would be like with the infinity stones from Endgame, the stones(Oden) go intoo the future and get put back in the past with meaning it liike they never be away in first place:

In the end Oden would stay dead, we can´t ignore that we have multiple hints who could implied that Oden get travel to the future.

Still, bringing Oden would hurt the plot. Even if it is the Oden that was in prison he should have a lot of scars from the torture he endured. And if they agreed on swnding him to the future. Why in the name of the fuck did you send him with two normal swords instead of Enma and Ame? Plus he looks fine like nothing happened to him when he should look quite harmed. Just look at how bad Luffy was when he was on a cell, and he only took a thunder bagua, Oden was probably tortured for several days and if he wasn't tortured that means that she sent him to the future a few hours or a couple days after he was defeated. And if that's the case, he should show some sings of being harmed cuz of the fight or being at least quite tired. Also, he was just standing there smiling?... Why is he smiling tho? Unless he is going to throw All Might's quote I don't understand why would he smile. (All might's quote: 'It is fine now. Why? Because I am here!')

 

[Usopp Haoshoku Haki]

The thing was, Luffy could defeat Katakuri with G4, we literally see G4 could damage Katakuri hard, the problem was overall FS with Luffy overcome. And we know if Luffy can find a way to pass FS, he could damage and defeat Katakuri.
But Kaido encounter is total a different case, Oda make it clear in chapter 923 Kaido was a different lvl.

When Luffy use Snakeman and FS, we see a equal match.
Luffy learn Adv CoA to overcome Kaido durability/Skin who is like the FS of Katakuri.
But the different already start that Kaido is more then just his hard skin, Luffy could damage him finally and what? It is like Kaido is top fit while Luffy and co already are exhausted, Kaido was playing with them, not serious(unlike Kata who take Luffy serious and fight with 100%). Kaido is different, he is like Freeza, you though you can finally match him via a powerup and he reveal everytime a new form....

Let assume he also has really a third form ala awakening and let assume Kaido in hybrid already finish the SN, what would this overall mean? That is almost impossible for Luffy to win against Kaido while he using his awakening form, at least without help. They can be happy that Big mom is just joking around too. Do we really think how this could end if Kaido fight seriously with named attacks? FS Luffy barely dodge Base Kaido, thunder Bague can one shot them... He beat of the Scabbards with just swing his club right and left without using any technique...

It is really hard to believe that Luffy can win here without help. Against Katakuri we see that Luffy can hurt him and beat him. However Kaido is like in ever stage league above Luffy. That is not funny anymore, to beat Kaido Luffy would need soo so so many powerups...
And that is the problem, probably Hybrid Kaido already beat them down, now imagine awakening Kaido...

Kaido tank attacks right and left since the raid begin and the dude looks totally clean, as if he never take any attack.
Katakuri FS was op, but we know if Luffy could overcome FS he could fight him back. However how is he now fight back when his hard training with Adv CoA can´t hurt Kaido much as we though at the begin. This men laugh off after taking Gk, he take so many attacks and still stand like it nothing happen to him. With Kaido, oda make it clear that he not use the usually "Luffy attacking with a strong punch to win" methode, this time however it will be probably the hardest match ever. And i doubt 5Sn are enough to beat Kaido...

First of all, Boundman was never enough against Katakuri and resorting to Snakeman is proof of that.Luffy didn't even need Gear 3rd to hurt Katakuri.He was hurting him notably with base kicks and punches.
Also, I never said anything about Luffy being able to solo Kaido.It's a 5 v 2.He also has the best teamfighter of the entire verse with him - Law.
It would just overall look really bad for them if they need a top tier to help them when it's already a 5 v 2.We are too close to EoS for that.Zoro, whose feats are bound to be surpassed by Luffy in this fight is already looking crazy good against Kaido without even going all out yet.

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

Why do you guys think The oden that showed up wore his kimono down and not up like he usually wore it in battle?

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

And if they agreed on swnding him to the future. Why in the name of the fuck did you send him with two normal swords instead of Enma and Ame?

My though overall step by step:
-Oden give his swords away to Toki(with means no enma and Habakiri)
-Oden now need to wait 3days in the cell until he get killed in the boil
-Toki use her future travel power, but with a timelimit, in that case Oden travel to the future and need to come back
-Oden is now in the future, he help the alliance(probably had one day to recover) and go back to the past when the timelimit end
-Oden get back in same time where he leave, so no one noticed that he was away, Oden get execute now, he sacricife himself in sake for the future, knowing the Scabbards going to do great jobs(bringing luffy to Wano)
-Oden get killed.

You say about torture and injuries, as I know only udon prisoner get torture by the beast pirates to break their will and let them join the beast pirates. They get bandages and didn´t seem to get tortured by the beast pirates. As example they where get killed by the boiling in the end. Another point which you mentioned, why Oden not take his swords with himself? Because even if come back from the future, his sword would with him, with means it would became into the hands of Orochi. So he give them Toki who take care for the swords.

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Why do you guys think The oden that showed up wore his kimono down and not up like he usually wore it in battle?

He change it when he go into a battle, when he was in his way to Kaido, he had long kimono to, he change them in the middle of the war^^

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First of all, Boundman was never enough against Katakuri and resorting to Snakeman is proof of that.Luffy didn't even need Gear 3rd to hurt Katakuri.He was hurting him notably with base kicks and punches.

Boundman was not enough because of Future sight and Katakuri overall skill, but we know Boundman was very well able to beat Katakuri:

Spoiler

The point is not that G4 would most like win against Katakuri, but it was in terms of pl equal to Katakuri, he could hurt him enough.
The panels above show, Luffy hurt and damage Katakuri much, he was not weaker overall.
But the Kaido fight is totally different, the dude is tanking and tanking, laughing and joking around, even when Luffy attacking him with a Gatling G4 version and adv CoA. That is total different, total op what Kaido showing here, it was always similar.
Alabasta,Skypia,Enies Lobby,Dressrosa or WCi, Luffy could always fight back, against Crocodile in the moment where he could hurt him, he damage Croco badly, against Enel too, he fight equal with Luccii, he beat Doffy with G4, he fight and damage Katakuri with learning fs.

It was always the same, either via a new technique or powerup Luffy always could fight back and in fact hurt the enemy very much. These point showcase always that Luffy was strong enough to defeat the arc oppenent. But Kaido is different bro...
Luffy learn adv and get the powerup, he prepare himself and even get stronger, yet it feels like he can´t really beat Kaido...
It like Kaido taking all attacks, joking around and trolling, to the end where he has his fun. I made a threat with showing how much attacks Kaido tank, the dude is still fine.. It is like you cannot defeat him and he barely start to fight, now imagine soon hybrid, he is probably little more serious, how in the hell they gonna fight back without help?

Also, I never said anything about Luffy being able to solo Kaido.It's a 5 v 2.He also has the best teamfighter of the entire verse with him - Law.
It would just overall look really bad for them if they need a top tier to help them when it's already a 5 v 2.

Big mom barely do something serious, they both play with their food.
They have their fun but how long, how long they gonna joking around and fight seriously, Kaido the one who tank tons of attacks was looking clean, the guys who barely take attacks where looking like thiis:

This is fun coming from the dude who eat shit like GK and tons of other hits, looking clean asf, while the supernova above looking already tired... I understand you point but let be honest do they looking like they could win even in 5vs1 against Kaido? Yes Zoro didn´t use yet his all out power, but I doubt he going looking far better then Luffy who already use tons of attacks.

Im not saying they are weak, they doing it very well, but they definitly need help here.

 

[Arrow]

He's real, the original was fake.

 

[Usopp Haoshoku Haki]

Boundman was not enough because of Future sight and Katakuri overall skill, but we know Boundman was very well able to beat Katakuri:

No, it wasn't able to beat Katakuri.There would be no point in resorting to Snakeman if Boundman was capable of beating Katakuri.Boundman only landed when Katakuri wasn't using FS.
I don't get what the panels of Luffy landing hits on an FS-less Katakuri are supposed to prove.

The panels above show, Luffy hurt and damage Katakuri much, he was not weaker overall.

He could only land hits on Katakuri without his ultimate ability - future sight.This shows nothing.If Boundman was enough for Katakuri after Luffy learned FS, he would have just used Boundman.But it wasn't fast and unpredictable enough.

ut the Kaido fight is totally different, the dude is tanking and tanking, laughing and joking around, even when Luffy attacking him with a Gatling G4 version and adv CoA. That is total different, total op what Kaido showing here, it was always similar.
Alabasta,Skypia,Enies Lobby,Dressrosa or WCi, Luffy could always fight back, against Crocodile in the moment where he could hurt him, he damage Croco badly, against Enel too, he fight equal with Luccii, he beat Doffy with G4, he fight and damage Katakuri with learning fs.

Luffy's Red Roc attack hurt Kaido bad.If he can use the same haki on his high end attacks, Kaido is in big trouble.

But Kaido is different bro...

That's why there's 4 other guys next to Luffy.

Big mom barely do something serious,

Big Mom has been getting clowned for the last 150 chapters.She did land a big attack on the Supernovas, but Zoro tanked it without much trouble.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

No, it wasn't able to beat Katakuri.There would be no point in resorting to Snakeman if Boundman was capable of beating Katakuri.Boundman only landed when Katakuri wasn't using FS.

What is your point I literally said the same think?
I said with fs and Katakuri skill is was not enough for Boundman, but I show the panels to prove that he could damage very well Katakuri.

He could only land hits on Katakuri without his ultimate ability - future sight.This shows nothing.If Boundman was enough for Katakuri after Luffy learned FS, he would have just used Boundman.But it wasn't fast and unpredictable enough.

You still not read my comment or understand it, I literally said the same as you with pointing out FS as Katakuri main forte.
My post with showing boundman had the power to hurt Katakuri was just the argument with I show, not that Boundman alone was enough.

Luffy's Red Roc attack hurt Kaido bad.If he can use the same haki on his high end attacks, Kaido is in big trouble.

Kaidoo was literally fine in next chapter standing up laughing, tanking lot of attacks. Never bring him into the point of trouble.

That's why there's 4 other guys next to Luffy.

Still not enough, Kaido cakewalk against the Scabbards, four of them where strong as YC, Jack was defeated easily by Sulong Neko and Inu, Kaido destroy them in his base form. The result for high tiers and 5 veteran lvl characters get rekt hard, the number against Kaiido doesn´t matter if they didn´t have enough firepower. Zoro wiil reach his limit too, Luffy already did it with the G4 timelimit.

And as I said it before, let assume Kaido has a awakenend third form.

So Base Kaido can stomp 4High tiers(two of them above YC3lvl) and 5Veterans
Hybrid is above Base Kaido
And Awakenend Kaido is probably even stronger
Sry but no these 5 aren´t enough and you will take soon the prove for that.

 

[rerere]

Fake



I hope

 

[Jo_Ndule]

oden is here to weaken kaido

Zoro never belonged there...time to give back Emma

 

[davidobandolim]

Does anyone think about the possibility of Moriah or a blackbeard's subordinate using his fruit to ressurect Oden?

If Blackbeard arrives and then steals Kaido's fruit, it would be amazing.

But I also love the Time travel possibility.

The awakened TokiToki no Mi powers would be limitless

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

Does anyone think about the possibility of Moriah or a blackbeard's subordinate using his fruit to ressurect Oden?

If Blackbeard arrives and then steals Kaido's fruit, it would be amazing.

But I also love the Time travel possibility.

The awakened TokiToki no Mi powers would be limitless

yes its powers would be OP, It would make half the series not make sense.

 

[Seth]

My though overall step by step:
-Oden give his swords away to Toki(with means no enma and Habakiri)
-Oden now need to wait 3days in the cell until he get killed in the boil
-Toki use her future travel power, but with a timelimit, in that case Oden travel to the future and need to come back
-Oden is now in the future, he help the alliance(probably had one day to recover) and go back to the past when the timelimit end
-Oden get back in same time where he leave, so no one noticed that he was away, Oden get execute now, he sacricife himself in sake for the future, knowing the Scabbards going to do great jobs(bringing luffy to Wano)
-Oden get killed.

You say about torture and injuries, as I know only udon prisoner get torture by the beast pirates to break their will and let them join the beast pirates. They get bandages and didn´t seem to get tortured by the beast pirates. As example they where get killed by the boiling in the end. Another point which you mentioned, why Oden not take his swords with himself? Because even if come back from the future, his sword would with him, with means it would became into the hands of Orochi. So he give them Toki who take care for the swords.

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He change it when he go into a battle, when he was in his way to Kaido, he had long kimono to, he change them in the middle of the war^^

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Boundman was not enough because of Future sight and Katakuri overall skill, but we know Boundman was very well able to beat Katakuri:

Spoiler

The point is not that G4 would most like win against Katakuri, but it was in terms of pl equal to Katakuri, he could hurt him enough.
The panels above show, Luffy hurt and damage Katakuri much, he was not weaker overall.
But the Kaido fight is totally different, the dude is tanking and tanking, laughing and joking around, even when Luffy attacking him with a Gatling G4 version and adv CoA. That is total different, total op what Kaido showing here, it was always similar.
Alabasta,Skypia,Enies Lobby,Dressrosa or WCi, Luffy could always fight back, against Crocodile in the moment where he could hurt him, he damage Croco badly, against Enel too, he fight equal with Luccii, he beat Doffy with G4, he fight and damage Katakuri with learning fs.

It was always the same, either via a new technique or powerup Luffy always could fight back and in fact hurt the enemy very much. These point showcase always that Luffy was strong enough to defeat the arc oppenent. But Kaido is different bro...
Luffy learn adv and get the powerup, he prepare himself and even get stronger, yet it feels like he can´t really beat Kaido...
It like Kaido taking all attacks, joking around and trolling, to the end where he has his fun. I made a threat with showing how much attacks Kaido tank, the dude is still fine.. It is like you cannot defeat him and he barely start to fight, now imagine soon hybrid, he is probably little more serious, how in the hell they gonna fight back without help?



Big mom barely do something serious, they both play with their food.
They have their fun but how long, how long they gonna joking around and fight seriously, Kaido the one who tank tons of attacks was looking clean, the guys who barely take attacks where looking like thiis:

This is fun coming from the dude who eat shit like GK and tons of other hits, looking clean asf, while the supernova above looking already tired... I understand you point but let be honest do they looking like they could win even in 5vs1 against Kaido? Yes Zoro didn´t use yet his all out power, but I doubt he going looking far better then Luffy who already use tons of attacks.

Im not saying they are weak, they doing it very well, but they definitly need help here.

You ain't wrong but ur take has one error.

Oden peaked at commander level at best.

Kaido 20 years ago wasn't at the level of strength he is now.

Oden addition to the team is like u add another supernova and that's it.


Admirals are needed

 

[KiriNigiri]

It's not Oden. The Scabbards were getting ready to move out and fight, only to be interrupted by "Oden." Clearly something has to come of this, otherwise they wouldn't be stopped. If it were Oden, then the interruption wouldn't be necessary to show, since the Scabbard's, with Oden, would stay the course and continue fighting the Beast Pirates. This whole thing seems like a setup to distract them from their primary goal.

 

[Weeman]

That fruit already exists.

So that kettle thing is Oden?

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

This Oden is jack, Sanji will go fight him.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

So that kettle thing is Oden?

i mean, oden is born to boil. Kettle is fitting for him, then

 

[vikas]

Actually... don't really know why oden is shown here. Leaving oden from the story. The Alliance currently has much better hand even the scabbards are fine and ready for battle. Earlier in spoilers I thought, maybe it was just onimaru and Hiyori asked to encourage them. But they were fine and ready to battle anyway so that plot is out of window.
A trap by someone? But who is even capable of that? Kanjuro? But what will he do alone?
So yeah I don't see any good reason to add oden/fake oden right now. It could be Kanjuro trying to redeem himself. But.... why as oden, doesn't make sense to me, unless he is trying to be sogeking?

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Why do you guys think The oden that showed up wore his kimono down and not up like he usually wore it in battle?

To hide bunbukus giant tanuki balls

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

To hide bunbukus giant tanuki balls

I will go with this.

 

[Bounty]

To hide bunbukus giant tanuki balls

Interesting thought since it goes along with the chapter title, but still doesn't make much sense. I doubt it has agency of its own, much less the capability to reach Onigashima by itself.

Hiyori couldn't have brought him too since she was in Ringo since the time scabbards had left for Onigashima. Also, if options like Onimaru (makes the most sense) weren't already lukewarm enough, having an unfunny gag like this played out as a cliffhanger would make it look really bad considering we've already had 2 of these now.

Onimaru and Hiyori still make the most sense by far. In my opinion, the discourse should be more around trying to find flaws in that theory.

Another point to note is that whoever is doing this has seen Oden from the time he was dancing in the capital for 5 years, since this one has a goatee.