Current Events Chopper vs Queen!?

[Sir Yasheen]

Gosh... I hate when people use the Sabaody Scene of "Luffy/Kidd/Law" as argument when it literally doesn't mean SHIT...

Let's see.. I will use this:

There was a chapter called "Lone soldier" where both Luffy and Drake oneshot a Number, and Drake declared that he's joining Luffy in this war.... My conclusion is that the two leaders who will beat Yonko are only Luffy and Drake.....

It literally is the SAME LOGIC, that some fans are overusing by selling the whole "3 leaders of next generation" cause they stood together in Saboady....

Cause Law is LITERALLY is Luffy's side kick now... and Kidd is GARBAGE, and I will not stop saying that cause HE IS... and Luffy is ahead of them by light years miles... they never will be more than SIDE KICKS who will watch Luffy/Zoro and SHs do something amazing in front of their eyes and say "WOW, they are SOGEEEE, SO STRONG, I CAN"T BELIEVE IT".... and just support them...


Also, my interpretation for the Sabaody scene was different from you all in that it's not that they will be EQUAL RIVALS in future.... but rather, Oda simply CHOSE them to be in Auction House, and WATCH Luffy punch a celestial Dragon because they are the ONLY 3 D. clan members of Supernova... and nothing really about being equal rivals.... and this is why they were watching a D. like Luffy punch a celestial Dragon, and suprise surprise you all... time passes, and Law is revealed as D.
And suprise surprise.... Kid has King's haki WHICH might give some possibility for Kidd having some D. relations... and surprise surprise... Oda mentions that Kidd's goal is to see the WG and Celestial Dragon system burning as he hates them a lot.... Wow, wink wink...

The idea of interpreting that Sabaody scene is literally so bad as an argument by fans... it's TRASH.... because Luffy/Zoro/Sanji have been a TRIO for SOOOO LONG before even that.... I could even theorize that Kaido will be defeated by Luffy/Zoro/Sanji with your logic guys... and that Sanji will reach the roof later and all other Supernova beside Luffy and Zoro will be down.... but I don't use that logic thankfully

It was reiterated in Wano multiple times about those three being a trio. It was shown up on the roof as Well.

It’s not the sabaody scene it’s ever since all three reconvened Oda has utilized Kid Law and Luffy as a captain trio. the “At Sea you fight Pirates” line and in the rooftop Zoro and Killer shared a panel while Luffy Kidd and law each got their own spreads when they were showcasing.

It’s not based on Sabaody but how Oda is highlighting them currently man.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

It was reiterated in Wano multiple times about those three being a trio. It was shown up on the roof as Well.

It’s not the sabaody scene it’s ever since all three reconvened Oda has utilized Kid Law and Luffy as a captain trio. the “At Sea you fight Pirates” line and in the rooftop Zoro and Killer shared a panel while Luffy Kidd and law each got their own spreads when they were showcasing.

It’s not based on Sabaody but how Oda is highlighting them currently man.

If that's true, he would have done so during the widespread against Kaido/Big Mom... where he would have isolated Zoro/Killer from that rooftop scene in chapter 1000....
You know what's funny?
Momonosuke + Yamato will have BIGGER ROLE in downfall of Kaido than Law and Kidd... that's the funniest part about this

 

[Sir Yasheen]

If that's true, he would have done so during the widespread against Kaido/Big Mom... where he would have isolated Zoro/Killer from that rooftop scene in chapter 1000....
You know what's funny?
Momonosuke + Yamato will have BIGGER ROLE in downfall of Kaido than Law and Kidd... that's the funniest part about this

Will see, but I doubt Yamato will maybe Momo just because of who he is. youre not giving law and kidd due credit that’s for sure..

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Did Kidd say that?

Kidd's real name might be: Kid D. Eustass.

It was stated somewhere "either vivre card or some databook or magazine" whatever... point is, people should not count the whole "those three stood together, then they are the ultimate team for the arc".... when there are many hints that support the idea of Zoro being bg part of the Kaido downfall... Same for Yamato in future... same for Momonosuke....

In fact, how about a shonen jump cover of ONLY LUFFY & ZORO holding two swords crossed around Kaido's neck.... To me that shows me Luffy & Zoro have 100000 times bigger role against Kaido than Kidd or Law will ever have....

 

[Hedfi]

It was stated somewhere "either vivre card or some databook or magazine" whatever... point is, people should not count the whole "those three stood together, then they are the ultimate team for the arc".... when there are many hints that support the idea of Zoro being bg part of the Kaido downfall... Same for Yamato in future... same for Momonosuke....

In fact, how about a shonen jump cover of ONLY LUFFY & ZORO holding two swords crossed around Kaido's neck.... To me that shows me Luffy & Zoro have 100000 times bigger role against Kaido than Kidd or Law will ever have....

I thought Kidd said that in the manga and I forgot about it.

I agree that Zoro with Enma's help will be essential in bringing Kaido down. Enma has been getting major focus in Kaido's fight that I don't see Zoro going anywhere else than facing Kaido.

As for Momo and Yamato... It's very likely that Momo's biggest role would be saving the capital by preventing Onigashima from falling down. As for Yamato, I'm not totally sure but for now her biggest role is to protect Momo. I see her defeating a Calamity or a Tobbi Roppo, to prevent the beast pirate from hurting Momo so that he could keep holding the island in the air.

 

[Bil02]

see Franky perfectly capable of fighting Hawkins, Killer, Apoo, Capone, Bonney and perhaps even Urouge.

Urouge lol? Not even Sanji is confirmed capable of defeating him,how can Franky be able to fight him?
Is Franky confirmed close to Sanji?

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Will see, but I doubt Yamato will maybe Momo just because of who he is. youre not giving law and kidd due credit that’s for sure..

Lol, Yamato is Kaido's daughter.... her being present during his downfall is unquestionable and WILL HAPPEN.... never forget that Oda HINTED that Kaido has been hitting her and have been violent with raising her when she was pretending to be Oden... and Also, Oda emphasized that Yamato was strong enough to be EQUAL with Ace.... which means, Oda hyped her strength for when she actually fights.... let's ALSO no forget that she uses the SAME STYLE of fighting... let's also not forget that Oda has YET to touch on their relationship... meaning, it is bound to happen in future where Yamato is face to face with her father and we see their dynamic and arguing or fighting....

This is basically like Oda killing Dragon without Luffy meeting him... that's just STUPID WRITING 101.... Kaido will never be taken down UNTIL Yamato participate in that event and be part of it... Yamato even MORE THAN Momonosuke I daresay.... because Momo's representative is actually Luffy... but many evidence and clues emphasize that he will be involved, same for Yamato...

And I have no doubt that their role will be bigger than Law or Kidd.... however, I also have no doubt that Luffy and Zoro's role will be MORE important than Momo or Yamato.... which again, shows the hierarchy here... at least from my perspective LOL

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Lol, Yamato is Kaido's daughter.... her being present during his downfall is unquestionable and WILL HAPPEN.... never forget that Oda HINTED that Kaido has been hitting her and have been violent with raising her when she was pretending to be Oden... and Also, Oda emphasized that Yamato was strong enough to be EQUAL with Ace.... which means, Oda hyped her strength for when she actually fights.... let's ALSO no forget that she uses the SAME STYLE of fighting... let's also not forget that Oda has YET to touch on their relationship... meaning, it is bound to happen in future where Yamato is face to face with her father and we see their dynamic and arguing or fighting....

This is basically like Oda killing Dragon without Luffy meeting him... that's just STUPID WRITING 101.... Kaido will never be taken down UNTIL Yamato participate in that event and be part of it... Yamato even MORE THAN Momonosuke I daresay.... because Momo's representative is actually Luffy... but many evidence and clues emphasize that he will be involved, same for Yamato...

And I have no doubt that their role will be bigger than Law or Kidd.... however, I also have no doubt that Luffy and Zoro's role will be MORE important than Momo or Yamato.... which again, shows the hierarchy here... at least from my perspective LOL

Yamato will be present; but the question is the role they’ll have to take down Kaido is an unknown.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

I thought Kidd said that in the manga and I forgot about it.

I agree that Zoro with Enma's help will be essential in bringing Kaido down. Enma has been getting major focus in Kaido's fight that I don't see Zoro going anywhere else than facing Kaido.

As for Momo and Yamato... It's very likely that Momo's biggest role would be saving the capital by preventing Onigashima from falling down. As for Yamato, I'm not totally sure but for now her biggest role is to protect Momo. I see her defeating a Calamity or a Tobbi Roppo, to prevent the beast pirate from hurting Momo so that he could keep holding the island in the air.

I don't agree with Momo will save the country by that method.... I think kaido will simply drop it, but I believe some delays will happen where many citizens will be already evacuated....

I think people are underestimating how fucking Big Onigashima island is.... for Momo to suddenly, magically create flame clouds that are AS BIG AS the flames that sorround all the fucking island with MANY LAYERS... is absolute bullshit.... it even underines the whole scene of Kaido lifting that island while ending the chapter with a note "the power of strongest creature" LMAO... Momo doing the same is freaking stupid by all scales....

I think Momo's role will come against Kaido... but I believe it MIGHT be the solution regarding Kaido's immortality or some shit.... as there are myths about dragon biting another dragon would result in a "Kill".... so I'm not saying he will bite him and Kaido dies... but I believe that Oda will play on the "lineage factor" card, and present that maybe when Momo bite Kaido... some features of Kaido's immortality will be disabled or some shit.... and part of the reason this happened is because Kaido/Momo have the SAME devil fruit... some maybe we will learn about new rules regarding that.... and hell, maybe Vegapunk will explain it...

Again, this is just a headcanon (theory)... but Momo can also help in the fight by different means.... maybe he will be like the bird from Shiki movie, and will let Luffy or Zoro ride him during the fight for sky battle... maybe some other means.... but either way... I think his role will not be about the island... cause that's just some stupid asspull

 

[Hedfi]

I don't agree with Momo will save the country by that method.... I think kaido will simply drop it, but I believe some delays will happen where many citizens will be already evacuated....

I think people are underestimating how fucking Big Onigashima island is.... for Momo to suddenly, magically create flame clouds that are AS BIG AS the flames that sorround all the fucking island with MANY LAYERS... is absolute bullshit.... it even underines the whole scene of Kaido lifting that island while ending the chapter with a note "the power of strongest creature" LMAO... Momo doing the same is freaking stupid by all scales....

I think Momo's role will come against Kaido... but I believe it MIGHT be the solution regarding Kaido's immortality or some shit.... as there are myths about dragon biting another dragon would result in a "Kill".... so I'm not saying he will bite him and Kaido dies... but I believe that Oda will play on the "lineage factor" card, and present that maybe when Momo bite Kaido... some features of Kaido's immortality will be disabled or some shit.... and part of the reason this happened is because Kaido/Momo have the SAME devil fruit... some maybe we will learn about new rules regarding that.... and hell, maybe Vegapunk will explain it...

Again, this is just a headcanon (theory)... but Momo can also help in the fight by different means.... maybe he will be like the bird from Shiki movie, and will let Luffy or Zoro ride him during the fight for sky battle... maybe some other means.... but either way... I think his role will not be about the island... cause that's just some stupid asspull

Momo could just controle the already existing clouds though, he doesn't need to create his own. That's possible I think. Kaido would be fighting the 5WG and won't have the focus to prevent Momo from doing so. That's the scenario I see happening.

As for rest, I can't deny it's possible but it would be super lame in my opinion if that's how Kaido would be brought down.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

Does Queen have access to candy?

What has Queen shown so far to make you think that MP Whopper stands no chance?

Queen is at least a level over Perospero, who no diffed Chopper+Brook. What else is there to say? Chopper wouldnt even be a proper warm up for serious Queen...

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I know y'all love Chopper and all cause he's cute and stuff. But stay realistic... QUEEN?

Dont expect such ridiculous stuff cause you will only get disappointed.

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FUJITORA STOPS ONIGASHIMA GANG

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Momo could just controle the already existing clouds though, he doesn't need to create his own. That's possible I think. Kaido would be fighting the 5WG and won't have the focus to prevent Momo from doing so. That's the scenario I see happening.

As for rest, I can't deny it's possible but it would be super lame in my opinion if that's how Kaido would be brought down.

Maybe... but I doubt that clouds generated by Kaido will be controlled by a different user... even if they have similar fruits... but who knows. Maybe it will happen... But I am completely against the idea of Momo generating clouds from himself that completely covers the entirety of Onigashima....

Look, I understand that Kaido is not necessarily lifting the island with his muscle, and it's just hax DF and ability by itself, HOWEVER, I do believe that the "surface area" and the "amount generated" is a testament to the user strength...

For example, let's say someone else got Magma fruit instead of Akainu who was much weaker.... he can STILL produce magma, possibly just as hot as Akainu's magma cause at end of the day, that's the fruit ability.... HOWEVER, the amount of Magma produced, plus the mastery to control it....etc all come from the users themselves... so I would not expect that someone like Foxy would be able to turn half an island into magma like Akainu or Ice like Aokiji....

In similar way, I would literally expect that Aokiji with a different fruit like Monet, which is snow snow fruit will be able to produce enough snow to cover half Punk Hazard once again, while Monet would never be able to pull that off...

Similarly, it's unacceptable for Momo to produce or generate same amount of cloud as Kaido's for Onigashima... controlling Kaido's clouds though is a different matter, would that be possible? is it how DF works? not sure... but it's more reasonable than Momo doing it on his own with his own clouds

 

[Hedfi]

Maybe... but I doubt that clouds generated by Kaido will be controlled by a different user... even if they have similar fruits... but who knows. Maybe it will happen... But I am completely against the idea of Momo generating clouds from himself that completely covers the entirety of Onigashima....

Look, I understand that Kaido is not necessarily lifting the island with his muscle, and it's just hax DF and ability by itself, HOWEVER, I do believe that the "surface area" and the "amount generated" is a testament to the user strength...

For example, let's say someone else got Magma fruit instead of Akainu who was much weaker.... he can STILL produce magma, possibly just as hot as Akainu's magma cause at end of the day, that's the fruit ability.... HOWEVER, the amount of Magma produced, plus the mastery to control it....etc all come from the users themselves... so I would not expect that someone like Foxy would be able to turn half an island into magma like Akainu or Ice like Aokiji....

In similar way, I would literally expect that Aokiji with a different fruit like Monet, which is snow snow fruit will be able to produce enough snow to cover half Punk Hazard once again, while Monet would never be able to pull that off...

Similarly, it's unacceptable for Momo to produce or generate same amount of cloud as Kaido's for Onigashima... controlling Kaido's clouds though is a different matter, would that be possible? is it how DF works? not sure... but it's more reasonable than Momo doing it on his own with his own clouds

Yeah, me too. I'm not in favor of Momo doing something at the same scale as Kaido. If it's just hijacking the already existing clouds and using them to keep the island afloat then it's fine in my book. Momo's fruit origin is tied with Kaido's Lineage factor afterall.

I agree with the rest too.

 

[nik87]

I never said he doesn't have good AP. He doesn't need to replicate him when BM focus on him since she is always a iron baloon unless the picture is involve. Chopper would get low diff by Queen. Which is why Marco holding Queen

Queen is at least a level over Perospero, who no diffed Chopper+Brook. What else is there to say? Chopper wouldnt even be a proper warm up for serious Queen...

Post automatically merged: Mar 15, 2021

I know y'all love Chopper and all cause he's cute and stuff. But stay realistic... QUEEN?

Dont expect such ridiculous stuff cause you will only get disappointed.

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FUJITORA STOPS ONIGASHIMA GANG

We will see. I think both you dont realize how much raw strength MP Chopper has.
Enough to compete with Queen.
Whether he wins alone or with help, we will see...

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

We will see. I think both you dont realize how much raw strength MP Chopper has.
Enough to compete with Queen.
Whether he wins alone or with help, we will see...

Bro stop the nonesense. Chopper not beating Queen 1 v 1

 

[nik87]

Bro stop the nonesense. Chopper not beating Queen 1 v 1

Why not? What stops him from doing it?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Why not? What stops him from doing it?

HE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH

 

[Shelby]

A member of the Weak Trio cannot defeat a Calamity.

 

[nik87]

HE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH

His slap is obviously strong enough to make Queen bleed in his tankiest form...
I have no issue seeing Chopper downing Queen, the problem is keeping an ancient zoan down permanently but if he gives him Kumadori treatment it's plausible or in worst case there is Tama to take over in the end...

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

His slap is obviously strong enough to make Queen bleed in his tankiest form...
I have no issue seeing Chopper downing Queen, the problem is keeping an ancient zoan down permanently but if he gives him Kumadori treatment it's plausible or in worst case there is Tama to take over in the end...

HIM SLAPPING HIM LITERALLY MEANS NOTING. MARCO WAS HOLDING HIM.DOWN. 0% chance Chopper 1 v 1 queen