General & Others Protecting Luffy was as much as Sanji's moment as it was Zoro's.
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Little parting thread before I go on my one week hiatus...
People always love to use Thriller Bark as a reason to show that Zoro has the highest loyalty. And their reasoning is beyond faulty.
At the end of the day, Zoro and Sanji both had the same resolve. Whtether Sanji could tank the pain of Luffy is another entire discussion. If Sanji took it and died, he wouldn't look less than Zoro in loyalty to Luffy. The only thing that mattered that day.... in terms of loyalty was the ones sacrificing their lives for Luffy. All Zoro got was the feat of enduring Luffy's pain. However Sanji and Zoro were both equal with their resolve. Oda rehashes that several times.
So again why do people always confuse the feat of taking the pain.... with the concrete resolution both Zoro and Sanji showed. Being the one to have carried Luffy's pain doesnt make you anymore loyal. It just shows your tuff. The sacrificial moment against Kuma, was as much Sanji's moment as it was Zoro's moment. Zoro just got the bonus feat at the end. Nothing more. If Oda wanted this to be Zoro's sole moment. He would've excluded Sanji from it. And he wouldn't have carried on giving praise to Sanji after the moment as well.
Stop sleeping on Sanji
Stephen translation:
People always love to use Thriller Bark as a reason to show that Zoro has the highest loyalty. And their reasoning is beyond faulty.
At the end of the day, Zoro and Sanji both had the same resolve. Whtether Sanji could tank the pain of Luffy is another entire discussion. If Sanji took it and died, he wouldn't look less than Zoro in loyalty to Luffy. The only thing that mattered that day.... in terms of loyalty was the ones sacrificing their lives for Luffy. All Zoro got was the feat of enduring Luffy's pain. However Sanji and Zoro were both equal with their resolve. Oda rehashes that several times.
So again why do people always confuse the feat of taking the pain.... with the concrete resolution both Zoro and Sanji showed. Being the one to have carried Luffy's pain doesnt make you anymore loyal. It just shows your tuff. The sacrificial moment against Kuma, was as much Sanji's moment as it was Zoro's moment. Zoro just got the bonus feat at the end. Nothing more. If Oda wanted this to be Zoro's sole moment. He would've excluded Sanji from it. And he wouldn't have carried on giving praise to Sanji after the moment as well.
Stop sleeping on Sanji
Stephen translation:
desperation
At what point will enough finally be enough? How many more pointless threads like this can clog up WG’s servers before the whole thing implodes like the most pathetic dying star of all time? Jesus, everything in this thread, from the opening post to what I’m saying now, is just the same recycled bullshit as always. Every single God damn one of us should go outside and take a long walk, if only to get away from this endless dreck.
Zoro is not a first mate. This crew does not have anyone with that title. Secondly, this was all about Zoro's pride. Zoro's loyalty to Luffy is not higher or lower than anyone else on that crew. Jinbe took a hole to the body from Akainu to save Luffy's life and he wasn't even part of his crew at the time. It does not make him more loyal than the next.
I have no qualms with praising Zoro for taking Luffy's pain but it wasn't because he was the most loyal.
I have no qualms with praising Zoro for taking Luffy's pain but it wasn't because he was the most loyal.
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The reason it had to be zoro was because he COULD survive it
anyone else dies
luffy like when ace died
goes into shock at losing a friend (even more so when he finds out it was his pain that killed them)
rips himself apart
no point sacrificing yourself for luffys dream when your death makes him quit pursuing it
anyone else dies
luffy like when ace died
goes into shock at losing a friend (even more so when he finds out it was his pain that killed them)
rips himself apart
no point sacrificing yourself for luffys dream when your death makes him quit pursuing it
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We don't know to what degree Kuma is a 'nice ' person. Same goes for Dragon.
Both of them might have thought:" if Luffy/his crewmates can't survive this they are not fit for the pirate world and therefore better of dead".
Dragon is a revolutionary and known as the most dangerous person to the World Government. Kuma did sacrifice his free will and essentially his 'life' as a human being, for still unknown purposes (that might have to do with their revo plans). They both live in a tough world.
Both of them might have thought:" if Luffy/his crewmates can't survive this they are not fit for the pirate world and therefore better of dead".
Dragon is a revolutionary and known as the most dangerous person to the World Government. Kuma did sacrifice his free will and essentially his 'life' as a human being, for still unknown purposes (that might have to do with their revo plans). They both live in a tough world.
Little parting thread before I go on my one week hiatus...
People always love to use Thriller Bark as a reason to show that Zoro has the highest loyalty. And their reasoning is beyond faulty.
At the end of the day, Zoro and Sanji both had the same resolve. Whtether Sanji could tank the pain of Luffy is another entire discussion. If Sanji took it and died, he wouldn't look less than Zoro in loyalty to Luffy. The only thing that mattered that day.... in terms of loyalty was the ones sacrificing their lives for Luffy. All Zoro got was the feat of enduring Luffy's pain. However Sanji and Zoro were both equal with their resolve. Oda rehashes that several times.
So again why do people always confuse the feat of taking the pain.... with the concrete resolution both Zoro and Sanji showed. Being the one to have carried Luffy's pain doesnt make you anymore loyal. It just shows your tuff. The sacrificial moment against Kuma, was as much Sanji's moment as it was Zoro's moment. Zoro just got the bonus feat at the end. Nothing more. If Oda wanted this to be Zoro's sole moment. He would've excluded Sanji from it. And he wouldn't have carried on giving praise to Sanji after the moment as well.
Stop sleeping on Sanji
Stephen translation:
People always love to use Thriller Bark as a reason to show that Zoro has the highest loyalty. And their reasoning is beyond faulty.
At the end of the day, Zoro and Sanji both had the same resolve. Whtether Sanji could tank the pain of Luffy is another entire discussion. If Sanji took it and died, he wouldn't look less than Zoro in loyalty to Luffy. The only thing that mattered that day.... in terms of loyalty was the ones sacrificing their lives for Luffy. All Zoro got was the feat of enduring Luffy's pain. However Sanji and Zoro were both equal with their resolve. Oda rehashes that several times.
So again why do people always confuse the feat of taking the pain.... with the concrete resolution both Zoro and Sanji showed. Being the one to have carried Luffy's pain doesnt make you anymore loyal. It just shows your tuff. The sacrificial moment against Kuma, was as much Sanji's moment as it was Zoro's moment. Zoro just got the bonus feat at the end. Nothing more. If Oda wanted this to be Zoro's sole moment. He would've excluded Sanji from it. And he wouldn't have carried on giving praise to Sanji after the moment as well.
Stop sleeping on Sanji
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