General & Others Protecting Luffy was as much as Sanji's moment as it was Zoro's.
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Sanji couldn't understand why it was so hard for zoro to give up on his dream, because sanji had given up on his one since he felt indebted to zeff. But inside him something was shaken by zoro act, Sanji started to realize he doesnt want to stay in baratie no more, he want to chase his dream aswell. If you want to watch one piece from your own perspective, do so, but i reread baratie, arlong park, etc just a week ago, so im pretty fresh about those events and i am not the one who need to rearead them.
I honestly don't even know what ur answer has to do with what i said, did i deny the fact that he fought for zeff and he was ready to die for him? Did i even talk about Gin or Zeff? No, i talked about zoro and sanji bond, if you want to quote me, then discuss about what i said please.
I honestly don't even know what ur answer has to do with what i said, did i deny the fact that he fought for zeff and he was ready to die for him? Did i even talk about Gin or Zeff? No, i talked about zoro and sanji bond, if you want to quote me, then discuss about what i said please.
There's a brutal misconception about what Kuma asked of Zoro.
Kuma gave a "death sentence" to Zoro. He was never MEANT to survive. Zoro himself only managed to survive because Sanji found him and Chopper managed to treat him in time. The argument about "he did it because he knew he could take it" makes absolutely no fucking sense in the context of the scene.
Kuma himself said that Zoro would not survive.
Zoro said "if you are gonna take someone's head, take mine".
He wasn't preparing to "tank" anything. He simply offered his life. Just like Sanji.
The problem is that both of them are a bunch of stubborn bastards that would never accept the other's sacrifice and would try to take the burden on themselves alone.
That's why Zoro sneak attacks Sanji. None of them would back down.
That's why Sanji keeps it a secret and understands Zoro's feelings. Luffy would feel like shit if he knew what happened. If the situation was reversed, Zoro would have made the same decision. That's what the "NOTHING HAPPENED" means. And Sanji would survive. Why? Plot. Nothing more, nothing less.
Kuma gave a "death sentence" to Zoro. He was never MEANT to survive. Zoro himself only managed to survive because Sanji found him and Chopper managed to treat him in time. The argument about "he did it because he knew he could take it" makes absolutely no fucking sense in the context of the scene.
Kuma himself said that Zoro would not survive.
Zoro said "if you are gonna take someone's head, take mine".
He wasn't preparing to "tank" anything. He simply offered his life. Just like Sanji.
The problem is that both of them are a bunch of stubborn bastards that would never accept the other's sacrifice and would try to take the burden on themselves alone.
That's why Zoro sneak attacks Sanji. None of them would back down.
That's why Sanji keeps it a secret and understands Zoro's feelings. Luffy would feel like shit if he knew what happened. If the situation was reversed, Zoro would have made the same decision. That's what the "NOTHING HAPPENED" means. And Sanji would survive. Why? Plot. Nothing more, nothing less.
Please stop creating fanfiction. Sanji only left because he heard Zeff wanting him to leave. Sanji never ever was shaken by Zoro...at all. He still wanted to go find the All Blue and was planning to leave once he repayed the debt to Zeff. However when hearing Zeff wanting him to leave....Sanji left to.
I don't think you and other Z-fans understand that Sanji....along with every SH is a hypocrite. Look at Sanji's actions within the Baratie. You think this man wouldn't die for his dreams.
Sanji is a man with integrity and honor. Until the debt is repayed, he won't leave. He only left because Zeff wanted him to leave.
I don't think you and other Z-fans understand that Sanji....along with every SH is a hypocrite. Look at Sanji's actions within the Baratie. You think this man wouldn't die for his dreams.
Sanji is a man with integrity and honor. Until the debt is repayed, he won't leave. He only left because Zeff wanted him to leave.
Please stop creating fanfiction. Sanji only left because he heard Zeff wanting him to leave. Sanji never ever was shaken by Zoro...at all. He still wanted to go find the All Blue and was planning to leave once he repayed the debt to Zeff. However when hearing Zeff wanting him to leave....Sanji left to.
I don't think you and other Z-fans understand that Sanji....along with every SH is a hypocrite. Look at Sanji's actions within the Baratie. You think this man wouldn't die for his dreams.
Sanji is a man with integrity and honor. Until the debt is repayed, he won't leave. He only left because Zeff wanted him to leave.
I don't think you and other Z-fans understand that Sanji....along with every SH is a hypocrite. Look at Sanji's actions within the Baratie. You think this man wouldn't die for his dreams.
Sanji is a man with integrity and honor. Until the debt is repayed, he won't leave. He only left because Zeff wanted him to leave.
"Sanji is a man with integrity and honor. Until the debt is repayed, he won't leave. He only left because Zeff wanted him to leave".
No, he would have not left even if zeff kicked him out, he only left because he found people that he admire and is willing to follow.
Sanji was being a victim of his complex of being alive only thanks to zeff, that burden was too heavy, he could not go ahead and make his own life being like that, even after zeff death, he would have probably decided to keep caring about baratie.
And of course, Zeff wanting him to leave and sail is important, but it would have not lead nowhere if Sanji didn't put his dream ahead of his mentor for the first time after a decade, and he did so in that moment i already talked about.
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Please stop creating fanfiction. Sanji only left because he heard Zeff wanting him to leave. Sanji never ever was shaken by Zoro...at all. He still wanted to go find the All Blue and was planning to leave once he repayed the debt to Zeff. However when hearing Zeff wanting him to leave....Sanji left to.
I don't think you and other Z-fans understand that Sanji....along with every SH is a hypocrite. Look at Sanji's actions within the Baratie. You think this man wouldn't die for his dreams.
Sanji is a man with integrity and honor. Until the debt is repayed, he won't leave. He only left because Zeff wanted him to leave.
I don't think you and other Z-fans understand that Sanji....along with every SH is a hypocrite. Look at Sanji's actions within the Baratie. You think this man wouldn't die for his dreams.
Sanji is a man with integrity and honor. Until the debt is repayed, he won't leave. He only left because Zeff wanted him to leave.
Nevertheless despite his will is not that fiercefully solid, this doesn't imply that he has abandoned his ultimate goal to reach the All Blue and we all know that shall most likely occur.
Indeed, he never abbandoned it, the dream lived in the deep of his heart, where he hardly reppressed it.
I just disagree with people pretending that he was because of Zeff and only Zeff if Sanji have decided to leave baratie and chase his dream, denying the evident importance of some panels: Sanji yelling to zoro "abandom your stupid dream", is clearly referring to the path he chosed. Seeing zoro in that moment had a big impact on him and in making him changing his mind about his plans ...
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I just disagree with people pretending that he was because of Zeff and only Zeff if Sanji have decided to leave baratie and chase his dream, denying the evident importance of some panels: Sanji yelling to zoro "abandom your stupid dream", is clearly referring to the path he chosed. Seeing zoro in that moment had a big impact on him and in making him changing his mind about his plans ...
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While I do appreciate Sanji’s intention in this case, the action is all that matters at the end of the day. Zoro did the sacrifice, Sanji did not, it is as simple as that.
Think of two engineers who build two different bridges. Both of them have the desire to help humanity but one engineer’s bridge collapses (mainly due to little calculation mistakes) and thousands die while the other engineer’s bridge continues to be used without any problem. You know what would happen? The second engineer would be the hero amongst people while the first engineer’s next stop would be electric chair.
There is no partial credit in life (and should not be in the education also imho). At the end of the day, only the result matters. Zoro got the result, Sanji got nothing.
Think of two engineers who build two different bridges. Both of them have the desire to help humanity but one engineer’s bridge collapses (mainly due to little calculation mistakes) and thousands die while the other engineer’s bridge continues to be used without any problem. You know what would happen? The second engineer would be the hero amongst people while the first engineer’s next stop would be electric chair.
There is no partial credit in life (and should not be in the education also imho). At the end of the day, only the result matters. Zoro got the result, Sanji got nothing.
You're completely delusional. After Luffy defeated Krieg...Sanji was still planning to stay here. Zoro didn't change Sanji's mind at all. Neither did Luffy. It was after he overheard everyone trying to get him to leave....is when he decided to go with Luffy. Again you can carry on living in you're fanfiction world.
....I already explained that sanji would have never leaved the baratie even if kicked to death out from it, he only did so because he had found someone who, similiar to him, desired to stay alive only to chase his dream. Sanji prefight would not have leaved the baratie even if doing so would have meant toss his dream away forever, sanji post fight only need an acting from his cooks and he is ready to go. If you cant see that sanji post krieg fight is completely different than sanji pre krieg fight, i dont know what to say anymore.
Anyway, i gave the baratie part for granted, i originally to discuss about kuma scene actually.
My main point of this all anyway, is that Sanji respect zoro at the point that he'd rather not achive his goal to let Zoro the chance to keep chasing his one. The Kuma scene shows more than loyality sanji-luffy, it shows loyality sanji-zoro, and this loyality cam from Sanji of all the mugiwaras, which implies a bond much stronger than what many think. We don't know if Sanji was ready to sacrifice for luffy, we know that he was ready to do so to save zoro. This part is highly-opinable, i can understand it, i was hoping to discuss about it instead of the freaking baratie arc where i think is pretty clear what happens in sanji's mind and why.
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Anyway, i gave the baratie part for granted, i originally to discuss about kuma scene actually.
My main point of this all anyway, is that Sanji respect zoro at the point that he'd rather not achive his goal to let Zoro the chance to keep chasing his one. The Kuma scene shows more than loyality sanji-luffy, it shows loyality sanji-zoro, and this loyality cam from Sanji of all the mugiwaras, which implies a bond much stronger than what many think. We don't know if Sanji was ready to sacrifice for luffy, we know that he was ready to do so to save zoro. This part is highly-opinable, i can understand it, i was hoping to discuss about it instead of the freaking baratie arc where i think is pretty clear what happens in sanji's mind and why.
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Lmao absolutely delusional...
Why did Sanji say this if Zoro was what persuaded him to leave.
Sanji was the same...before and after. He always wanted the All Blue. However the debt for Zeff was overwhelming. Plus also after the fight with Krieg he can trust Luffy more as Luffy protected his family. Nothing to do with Zoro.
Why did Sanji say this if Zoro was what persuaded him to leave.
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Sanji was the same...before and after. He always wanted the All Blue. However the debt for Zeff was overwhelming. Plus also after the fight with Krieg he can trust Luffy more as Luffy protected his family. Nothing to do with Zoro.
Lmao absolutely delusional...
Why did Sanji say this if Zoro was what persuaded him to leave.
Sanji was the same...before and after. He always wanted the All Blue. However the debt for Zeff was overwhelming. Plus also after the fight with Krieg he can trust Luffy more as Luffy protected his family. Nothing to do with Zoro.
Why did Sanji say this if Zoro was what persuaded him to leave.
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Sanji was the same...before and after. He always wanted the All Blue. However the debt for Zeff was overwhelming. Plus also after the fight with Krieg he can trust Luffy more as Luffy protected his family. Nothing to do with Zoro.
I know that even after the fight sanji still felt like he could not leave, i never denied this, but after seeing zoro and luffy, he wants, desperately, to leave, he just keep feeling like he cannot, but a little push from the cooks is now enough for make him feel like he finally can go. And this mental process, that changed sanji so much, started from zoro almost dying by mihawk while chasing his dream.
There's nothing that implies him to willing to follow luffy because "he protected his family", you talk about fanfiction world, this is straight fanfiction. Luffy protected them as a payback for him destroying the roof, it was a deal. What impressed sanji of luffy was the will of keep going forward, the same that zoro impressed sanji before.
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he does, when he is willing to sacrifice himself to kuma, he straight out say: "if you die, what is gonna be of your dream?" He really cares a lot of Zoro's dream. This is why i feel it more of a sanji x zoro moment than sanji x luffy.
Again this is your fanfic. Sanji always wanted to leave and find the All Blue. There's nothing about becoming desperate about wanting to leave. Only thing he learnt was from the Luffy vs Krieg fight....and that was to stop stifling his spear. If anything it was Luffy...not Zoro. But again Sanji was always planning to leave the Baratie. He literally states in the manga he'll leave in some time. So it's not like he was gonna stay in the Baratie forever. Zeff persuaded him to leave earlier. Again it was Zeff....and maybe Luffy. Non of it was Zoro.
Have you ever think about something you have to do, that you want to do, and you keep saying to yourself "yes, i will definetly to it". Then a day pass, a month, a year, but nothing happen, you keep being the same. That is what was going on is Sanji's head, and only an exeptional event like zoro and luffy's appearence could break his ordinary life. He couldn't do on his own, probably not even after Zeff's death (and who knows when that would have happened).
I dont know why you keep denying that zoro had some impact on it but at least you started to give credit to luffy. I guess Oda giving an entire page of space to sanji's thoughts and reactions about zoro was not enough, zoro definetly had no impact in his head.
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I dont know why you keep denying that zoro had some impact on it but at least you started to give credit to luffy. I guess Oda giving an entire page of space to sanji's thoughts and reactions about zoro was not enough, zoro definetly had no impact in his head.
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Lmao absolutely delusional...
Why did Sanji say this if Zoro was what persuaded him to leave.
Sanji was the same...before and after. He always wanted the All Blue. However the debt for Zeff was overwhelming. Plus also after the fight with Krieg he can trust Luffy more as Luffy protected his family. Nothing to do with Zoro.
Why did Sanji say this if Zoro was what persuaded him to leave.
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Sanji was the same...before and after. He always wanted the All Blue. However the debt for Zeff was overwhelming. Plus also after the fight with Krieg he can trust Luffy more as Luffy protected his family. Nothing to do with Zoro.
