General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Jew D. Boy]

Shinobu for next nakama

She appears every chapter, not only babysitting Momo, but also:
She already bonded with Nami and Robin, did stealth mission with Nami and went to bath house with Nami and Robin.
She already saved the crew from Kaido's Borobreath.
She is already introduced since act 1.

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Oh also, Luffy notices Shinobu more than how he notices Yamato.

He didn't make shitty name for Shinobu like Shinou or whatever. Unlike the case for Yamao.

Did you lose a bet or something, Jerami??

 

[langitbarat]

1008 Update

Yamato is being setup fighting Kaido. It's already obvious, since Oda left out her transformation.

If our prediction comes true, she will transform in a named chapter. I wish her title isn't "Kaido daughter" (like in her info box or volume introduction page) or "White Tiger" as theorized.

Then again, Chopper gets "Tanuki-san" so I guess it's fine if hers would be white tiger.

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@ Topi Jerami : Yamato digambarin "nunggu" Luffy berkali-kali, so she will join him, Nakama or Companion.

 

[Shift]

A Flashback that she specifically told to Momo highlighting her motivations while giving him the logbook, her Bible. And just because she said them in flashback form doesn't diminish her desire to leave, it's in black and white, right in front of our faces.

Yamato clearly didn't narrate every word of that flashback out loud for Momo: one of Ace's men mentions Yamato being the daughter of Kaido, but later on Yamato specifically says he forgot to mention his relation with Kaido to Momo. So again, we don't know as of this moment which of Yamato's desires will be strongest in the end because we don't know what he told Momo regarding his wish to leave up to that point. Yamato's motivation has the potential to change because of Momo and just about everyone connected to Oden being alive, which he never factored in before and clearly cares about now.

 

[Finalbeta]

Who else believes that Momo will allegedly not join and his place shall remain on Wano where he will grow strong and a solid warrior of the country? Tama to probably stay either in that case I would say, so Kinemon, if making it alive.

 

[Aranjb96]

Who else believes that Momo will allegedly not join and his place shall remain on Wano where he will grow strong and a solid warrior of the country? Tama to probably stay either in that case I would say, so Kinemon, if making it alive.

The Kozuki clan left Wano and got overtaken by Kaidou even when his retainers where there. Momo cant leave because that would mean he wont be able to right his father's wrongs. I highly doubt Hiyori would be allowed to take over the nation too. They need someone the samurai in Wano can rally around. Also no Yamato wont do it either. Its possible that Yamato stays as some sort of champion of Wano. After all is done but she could still go with Luffy and come back later after the great war. What Yamato wants more than anything is freedom and Luffy will provide that.

 

[Electricmastro]

Who else believes that Momo will allegedly not join and his place shall remain on Wano where he will grow strong and a solid warrior of the country? Tama to probably stay either in that case I would say, so Kinemon, if making it alive.

I’m inclined to agree. I think back to Luffy giving Momo encouragement back at Zou in that Momo should be able to actively act on wanting to achieve his goals he feels so strongly about in the first place, such as personally asking for Luffy’s assistance himself. Even though he’s a kid, even Luffy was willing to treat him more with tough love since Momo seemed like someone who wants to be tough and be seriously treated as tough. I imagine that by the end of Wano, Momo’s character will have developed enough to the point that he’ll be inclined enough to act on some things with confidence for the sake of guiding Wano to a better way forward, despite some worries and anxieties he might have otherwise. Going by that, moving forward, I feel that Momo will find more fulfillment at Wano than going with Luffy.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Why are people referring to Yamato as he? Its weird

 

[langitbarat]

During her entrance into the story, some characters refer to her as "Kaido's Son". She introduced herself as Oden. These two points, backed by the the popularity of Kiku (a true trans) before, led some people to categorize her as a "he".

There are also other reasons :

- hating on Yamato
- dislike how sexualized Yamato is (sideboob & ponytail) & it's fans
- respect Oden / Oden's persona

Some refers Yamato as she because :

- Biologically female
- Info box says Kaido's daughter
- Volume intro page says Kaido's daughter
- People categorized her as LARPer, not a Transexual
- People realize that it's "the plot twist"
- People not accepting her as a true trans because her hairstyle & portrayal is feminine (Kiku on the other hand, properly dressed as and act as a female, while said herself/acknowledge herself as female)

As long as you respect everyone's choice of pronoun, even if you think they're wrong, then all is well.

 

[Aranjb96]

During her entrance into the story, some characters refer to her as "Kaido's Son". She introduced herself as Oden. These two points, backed by the the popularity of Kiku (a true trans) before, led some people to categorize her as a "he".

There are also other reasons :

- hating on Yamato
- dislike how sexualized Yamato is (sideboob & ponytail) & it's fans
- respect Oden / Oden's persona

Some refers Yamato as she because :

- Biologically female
- Info box says Kaido's daughter
- Volume intro page says Kaido's daughter
- People categorized her as LARPer, not a Transexual
- People realize that it's "the plot twist"
- People not accepting her as a true trans because her hairstyle & portrayal is feminine (Kiku on the other hand, properly dressed as and act as a female, while said herself/acknowledge herself as female)

As long as you respect everyone's choice of pronoun, even if you think they're wrong, then all is well.

It will all come down how her character develops later.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Actually how would you feel if the tragedy of this play results to be Yamato?

Well, I'm not the author so I just have to move on... But I would worry for Oda's well being more... Since it's not something Oda or any other great literary authors would do...

I find the sheer confidence of this pitch really odd considering we've had literally hundreds of pages of discussion and she hasn't even been mentioned as a candidate before.

I think we should play along with his jest...

Yamato's motivation since meeting Momo has been protecting him, and not a word about leaving Wano in the present tense.

"Captain's orders." - Zoro while protecting Hatchan

Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, and Jinbe. Out of 9 person, only 1 had connection with Ace. Means "knew Ace in the past" isn't an argument for joining.

Actually, Ace entrusted Luffy to Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji and Chopper when they met him...

Did you lose a bet or something, Jerami??

I think we should play along?

Why are people referring to Yamato as he? Its weird

Gender issue loving people who wants to associate Yamato with it since Kaido calls her as "son"?

How Oda refers to her matters the most... Called her "daughter" in the cast page as opposed to Kaido's "son" in a chapter... Oda > Kaido

 

[vikas]

Unless there is a very good positive reason for Yamato's wanting to be Oden(like senor pink wearing baby dress, the dancing brothers of shirahoshi). This character is going to be ruined completely. Pretty much all interactions of her are pathetic at this point.

 

[Shift]

"Captain's orders." - Zoro while protecting Hatchan

First, that doesn't address my point that we don't know how Yamato knowing Momo and the others are alive may or may not affect his future plans. Second, Luffy isn't Yamato's captain yet, so it's not the same situation. And third, there's a lot more to Yamato helping Momo and Shinobu than just Luffy told him to do it. Yamato knows them from the past and would likely have made it over to them with or without Luffy's coaxing. The issue was Yamato struggled with whether he had the right to help Momo, even after Luffy "ordered" him to do it.

Why are people referring to Yamato as he? Its weird

Gender issue loving people who wants to associate Yamato with it since Kaido calls her as "son"?

How Oda refers to her matters the most... Called her "daughter" in the cast page as opposed to Kaido's "son" in a chapter... Oda > Kaido

Yamato said he wanted to be a man because Oden was a man, and that particular desire hasn't changed even now. I may not think Yamato will join the crew, but I do respect the character and those in the LGBT+ community who identify with him. But yeah, it's not exactly clear cut either, and so like langitbarat said, we just gotta agree to live and let live on this one for the time being.

 

[Rootbeer]

Yamato said he wanted to be a man because Oden was a man, and that particular desire hasn't changed even now. I may not think Yamato will join the crew, but I do respect the character and those in the LGBT+ community who identify with him. But yeah, it's not exactly clear cut either, and so like langitbarat said, we just gotta agree to live and let live on this one for the time being.

You should also respect yourself first and lying to yourself when you see a ripe human female forcing your brain to believe its a man, is not it. But you also acknowledge your confirmation bias about Carrot so, even if she won't join the Strawhats due to her large lack of development as a character or any sort of prominence in the arc or simply not being special at all. No one wants to see Carrot's side boobs.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Guys...for the love of Christ...talk about anything except the gender issue. It’s just gonna veer us off into much more socially unacceptable territory, and we still don’t have real confirmation from the author that we should be referring to Yamato - not her (admittedly tiresome) Oden cosplaying - by any specific pronouns. The character herself is implied to be female until further notice, we’re much better off debating the merits of whether or not she’ll join the crew than trying to label her.

 

[Electricmastro]

Why are people referring to Yamato as he? Its weird

It’s really because of the situation of Yamato impersonating Oden of out desperation to escape Kaido’s abuse and to carry on Oden’s Will be interpreted as such. Some may say you should be obligated to refer to Yamato as a he out of respect because other characters are using the pronoun “he”, and that the reasoning itself of impersonating Oden doesn’t matter, but I still feel in referring to Yamato as a she out of a casual directness and being confident that I’m still being respectful after I feel that I’ve used enough analysis, logic, and evidence in looking at Yamato’s reasoning which is still emphasized on so much, and concluding that it’s distinctly different from Kiku’s situation in her referring to herself as a “she” out of a gender lifestyle choice too.

When it’s made clear to me Yamato wants to be a man akin to the “woman at heart” line made by Kiku, and I don’t think I’m asking for much, then that‘s when I think I’ll admit that my line of presumably respectful thinking blew up in my face and will then be 100% confident referring to Yamato as a “he” from there, but until such an occasion happens, which may not be until the end of the arc, then again, I’ll be confident in believing myself to be respectful in referring to Kaido’s daughter as a “she” otherwise.

 

[Shift]

Guys...for the love of Christ...talk about anything except the gender issue. It’s just gonna veer us off into much more socially unacceptable territory, and we still don’t have real confirmation from the author that we should be referring to Yamato - not her (admittedly tiresome) Oden cosplaying - by any specific pronouns. The character herself is implied to be female until further notice, we’re much better off debating the merits of whether or not she’ll join the crew than trying to label her.

I'll be happy to stop explaining my personal choice as long as others stop being incredulous about it.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I'll be happy to stop explaining my personal choice as long as others stop being incredulous about it.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t defend the choice (or that you should HAVE to), that was more about getting in front of the impending transphobia that always seems to follow this topic. Whatever the actual Yamato should be called is fine with me, I just know some folks have strong opinions on the subject and this just isn’t the place for it.

 

[Sigran101]

I really think Carrot has to solo Persospero regardless of whether or not she joins the crew. It's gotten too personal for anything else. If it were a traditional "character joining" arc then Luffy would fight him instead, but I think that would be the only scenario where someone else takes down Pero and that's obviously not happening.

 

[Aranjb96]

I really think Carrot has to solo Persospero regardless of whether or not she joins the crew. It's gotten too personal for anything else. If it were a traditional "character joining" arc then Luffy would fight him instead, but I think that would be the only scenario where someone else takes down Pero and that's obviously not happening.

The fact Peros doesnt try to antagonize her makes it sad imo. The beef is pretty one sided

 

[Sigran101]

The fact Peros doesnt try to antagonize her makes it sad imo. The beef is pretty one sided

He was 100% antagonizing her in the last chapter. What are you even talking about?