Questions & Mysteries Shanks doesn't recognize Marco from golden era...

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Inspector_Mu

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After @TheAncientCenturion posted the panel of Shanks recruiting Marco

I realised something , Shanks doesn't remember Marco at all from way back his rookie days.

The way he talks, it is similar to when someone meets X for the first time face to face and wanna make sure :
"oh! Are you Marco the Phoenix of the 1st division right? Wanna join my crew"
That sentence is off... Why would Shanks ask Marco if it is indeed him, if he knew 24+ years ago? !

While WB and Shanks recogzined each other straight, wb remembers Shanks as a rookie but somehow Shanks needs to make sure it is indeed Marco.

For me it is either 2 things :
Marco and Jozu are newer commanders of WB, WB had a different crew when he battled Roger!
Then those commander left which left WB to recruit rookies Marco (around 18/20 y.o) and others to sail the sea. After Roger death.

Or Marco wasn't present when Roger and WB fought each other.

We know Roger last and big battle was 25 years ago vs Shiki...
Shanks and Buggy were 14/15 at the time.

I believe WB had 2 crews:
the first one with Oden from end of rox till around 29-26 years ago.
(we know Oden was recruited by Roger in wano, hiyori was born 27 years ago/momo 28 years ago) ...
then WB went solo again to recruit Marco and co 25/24 years ago.
Or maybe Oden left after WB recruited new Teens and he (oden) trained Marco/Jozu.

What do you guys think?
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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Jo_Ndule said:
After @TheAncientCenturion posted the panel of Shanks recruiting Marco

I realised something , Shanks doesn't remember Marco at all from way back his rookie days.

The way he talks, it is similar to when someone meets X for the first time face to face and wanna make sure :
"oh! Are you Marco the Phoenix of the 1st division right? Wanna join my crew"
That sentence is off... Why would Shanks ask Marco if it is indeed him, if he knew 24+ years ago? !

While WB and Shanks recogzined each other straight, wb remembers Shanks as a rookie but somehow Shanks needs to make sure it is indeed Marco.

For me it is either 2 things :
Marco and Jozu are newer commanders of WB, WB had a different crew when he battled Roger!
Then those commander left which left WB to recruit rookies Marco (around 18/20 y.o) and others to sail the sea. After Roger death.

Or Marco wasn't present when Roger and WB fought each other.

We know Roger last and big battle was 25 years ago vs Shiki...
Shanks and Buggy were 14/15 at the time.

I believe WB had 2 crews:
the first one with Oden from end of rox till around 29-26 years ago.
(we know Oden was recruited by Roger in wano, hiyori was born 27 years ago/momo 28 years ago) ...
then WB went solo again to recruit Marco and co 25/24 years ago.
Or maybe Oden left after WB recruited new Teens and he (oden) trained Marco/Jozu.

What do you guys think?
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Roger recruited Rayleigh over 52 years ago. Marco didn’t become a prominent member of the WBP until less than 24 years ago. This shows that the WBP were never a PK level crew like the Roger Pirates.

People make the mistake of thinking that the WBP have to be stronger than Yonko crews because WB used to be PK level, but this shows that this is nonsense

@Bogard
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Nidai_Kitetsu

Nidai_Kitetsu

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I agree there is no way Marco was with Whitebeard before Roger's death. Whitebeard said to Shanks, "I fought against Roger's ship so many times. We locked arms so often, I began to remember some faces among his crew." Shanks should remember Marco if he was alongside Whitebeard those days.

I guess Shanks was more like Momonosuke travelling with Roger while Marco was probably a full fledged pirate (18+) when he joined Whitebeard.

The interesting thing is the only confirmed member of Whitebeard before Roger's death is Oden.
 
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Rmstorm

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Nidai_Kitetsu said:
I agree there is no way Marco was with Whitebeard before Roger's death. Whitebeard said to Shanks, "I fought against Roger's ship so many times. We locked arms so often, I began to remember some faces among his crew." Shanks should remember Marco if he was alongside Whitebeard those days.

I guess Shanks was more like Momonosuke travelling with Roger while Marco was probably a full fledged pirate (18+) when he joined Whitebeard.

The interesting thing is the only known member of Whitebeard before Roger's death is Oden.
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Shanks was age 12- 15 on Roger's Ship. He was teen age. He was out here being a true pirate.

Momonosuke is 8 years old. A kid.
 
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bluefire12

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Nidai_Kitetsu said:
I agree there is no way Marco was with Whitebeard before Roger's death. Whitebeard said to Shanks, "I fought against Roger's ship so many times. We locked arms so often, I began to remember some faces among his crew." Shanks should remember Marco if he was alongside Whitebeard those days.

I guess Shanks was more like Momonosuke travelling with Roger while Marco was probably a full fledged pirate (18+) when he joined Whitebeard.

The interesting thing is the only known member of Whitebeard before Roger's death is Oden.
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Jozu and Blamenco were also with Whitebeard in epsiode 0
 
Nidai_Kitetsu

Nidai_Kitetsu

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Rmstorm said:
Shanks was age 12- 15 on Roger's Ship. He was teen age. He was out here being a true pirate.

Momonosuke is 8 years old. A kid.
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Well, when he started his journey with Roger (12 or lower), he was more like Momonosuke than a full fledged pirate.

bluefire12 said:
Jozu and Blamenco were also with Whitebeard in epsiode 0
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Marco and Vista were also there. This happened two years after Roger's death.
I get your point though, it would be a little strange to have all those people onboard within two years after Roger's death. That means most of them were with Whitebeard during those battles against Roger pirates.
 
Rmstorm

Rmstorm

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Nidai_Kitetsu said:
Well, when he started his journey with Roger (12 or lower), he was more like Momonosuke than a full fledged pirate.


Marco and Vista were also there. This happened two years after Roger's death.
I get your point though, it would be a little strange to have all those people onboard within two years after Roger's death. That means most of them were with Whitebeard during those battles against Roger pirates.
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The databooks said he joined Roger at age 12.
 
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Inspector_Mu

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Nidai_Kitetsu said:
Well, when he started his journey with Roger (12 or lower), he was more like Momonosuke than a full fledged pirate.


Marco and Vista were also there. This happened two years after Roger's death.
I get your point though, it would be a little strange to have all those people onboard within two years after Roger's death. That means most of them were with Whitebeard during those battles against Roger pirates.
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Like you mentioned about Episode 0.
The moment we see Marco WITH WB is 22 years ago (2 years after Roger Death)

So how did WB survive The seas from.end of rocke till end of Golden era! 18 years! I dont think Oden was enough,
even Oden left him. Shanks doesnt remember Marco anyway.

Even if Marco joined wb when he was 17.
That means he still wasnt present with WB between 38-28 years ago .
That whole decade...
 
Rmstorm

Rmstorm

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HA001 said:
It means primebeard was that much of a beast he solod everyone lol
Even the roger pirates only managed a draw
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There is only 1 difference between Whitebeard and Roger, their crew.

Roger was always at the top the of the Pirate world since 43 years ago, while Whitebeard grew to match Rogers individual strength, his crew were never as good.

Keep in mind Roger was already a famous Supernova like Luffy more than 52 years ago.

Roger had a the strongest Pirate crew in addition to being the strongest in the World in individual strength.

Luffy's core crew will not be as strongs as Roger's.

Only Luffy will be as strong or stronger than Roger, and Zoro will be as strong as Rayleigh or a little bit stronger.

The rest of the core crew with the Grandfleet will be stronger than Roger's overall crew.

Oden was probably with Whitebeard for 12 years. He is the one who Rayleigh fought against.
 
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Desolate Smaug

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At that point Shanks was in his 4th year as a yonko. The only interaction those two could have had is through the various skirmishes WB had with Roger and Shanks was very young back then. Dude is actually younger than Marco. Maybe they never talked before. Plus Big mom said the same thing to king.
 
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Inspector_Mu

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Desolate Smaug said:
At that point Shanks was in his 4th year as a yonko. The only interaction those two could have had is through the various skirmishes WB had with Roger and Shanks was very young back then. Dude is actually younger than Marco. Maybe they never talked before. Plus Big mom said the same thing to king.
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We know kaido made his own crew way after BM who already had her children.
BM

Why would Shanks remember buggy! Remember WB.
Not Marco? It simple, because these guys were there in golden era battles
Marco wasn't
 
Xione

Xione

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Shanks on spot recognized who Marco was. All Marco did was call out his name. So not really sure where you're getting Shanks didn't recognize Marco lol.


Marco was giving orders to people to step back from him due to his Haki. This already implies they've met before.



Marco was on Whitebeard's ship when Oden was still there, which is why Neko & Inu went for his help. They and Marco are considered friends:



Oden was around 28/9 when he joined Roger pirates, and he was already a division commander on WB's ship. Marco at that time was around 17. Oden was then with the crew for 3 years, around the age of 32/33.
 
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Inspector_Mu

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Xione said:
Marco was on Whitebeard's ship when Oden was still there, which is why Neko & Inu went for his help.
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Why would Shanks remember Buggy WB but has to make sure that is Marco as if it is his first time?

Nope Marco wasn't there... Neko went coz they heard Marco was WB (oden captain) commander...
Dukes only accompanied Oden when he went to Roger...

Also Oden left WB probably between 29-26 years ago.
Dukes were 9-11 y.o ...oden didnt take them clearly.

Either Marco was a small rookie and never seen on the frontline by Shanks at all
Or Marco joined WB after Roger death (24 years ago) Which makes sense . Oden was still alive until 20 years ago.
So yeah Dukes remember Marco from that time, Not when Oden was a commander in WB ship
 
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