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Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1009 Spoilers Discussion
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Kaido has haxxed recovery abilities. I am not going to assume that any other top tier can take damage as well as Kaido.
At best, you can say that Luffy didn't take the full brunt of the attack and was able to avoid some of the damage, but he didn't actually dodge Thunder Bagua. The entire point of the scene was that despite seeing the future, he still couldn't dodge it.
Nah, Zoro reacted to several other Yonkou attacks even without Luffy's warning. Zoro didn't need Luffy's warning to react to Hakai.
Yes.
- This was Kong Gatling from a Post Udon Boundman
- Luffy never used a Kong Gatling before the Rooftop fight
- The blows were enhanced by advanced COA.
- Kaido still landed Thunder Bagua, Luffy did not narrowly dodge it:
- We see Luffy grasping his nose and bleeding.
- We see Luffy grunt in pain: "Ugh!!"
- Luffy affirms that despite reading the future, Kaido was too fast for him:
At best, you can say that Luffy didn't take the full brunt of the attack and was able to avoid some of the damage, but he didn't actually dodge Thunder Bagua. The entire point of the scene was that despite seeing the future, he still couldn't dodge it.
- No other top tier is as durable as Kaido.
- Maybe Sakazuki is an exception, but that might just be endurance.
- No other top tier has mythical zoan recovery like Kaido.
Nah, Zoro reacted to several other Yonkou attacks even without Luffy's warning. Zoro didn't need Luffy's warning to react to Hakai.
Yes.
Some might be better at blocking all attacks aimed at them.
Some might be better at dodging all attacks aimed at them.
Some might be better at launching more devastating AoE attacks.
Some might be better at launching faster more precise attacks.
Some might be better in terms of lethality.
Their different strengths would form a top tier package in the end that the SN's would have an uphill battle against.
For example a different top tier instead of outlasting them like this, might have a much easier time picking them out one by one and taking them out of the combat because of his different toolset and expertise.
Yeah Luffy dodges but still get's grazed by the attack, and that alone still hurts like hell.
It was already hinted when Law cut Vergo, Doffy was confident Law's cutting ability wont go through Vergo's haki - it means Law's haki was high enough to achieve that. If Kaido/BM didn't have strong enough haki he would cut them up too or switch their personalities all that.
There should be no exception to Kuma's ability either. Haki is used to combat df users in general not just Logia's.
There should be no exception to Kuma's ability either. Haki is used to combat df users in general not just Logia's.
this arc is just set up for Rocks pirates return
all this is just child play and all SNs will get destroyed once Kaido start getting serious, if this was the climax of his saga Oda wouldn't put BM there to waste time then send her away before she did anything
Zolo past is probably related to Kaido and he will turn to be Robin of the new world
Shiki will appear as a korozumi, a former Rocks pirates with a design based on Japan culture and his nickname is of a beast ( Golden lion), so he fit with the theme of the arc in multiple ways, and this was hinted at when the old hag with the clone fruit showed his face
SNs will use their ultimate attacks soon only to be revealed that Kaido can't be killed by them, then he gets serious and destroy them, that's how the fight will go down and it's obvious
all this is just child play and all SNs will get destroyed once Kaido start getting serious, if this was the climax of his saga Oda wouldn't put BM there to waste time then send her away before she did anything
Zolo past is probably related to Kaido and he will turn to be Robin of the new world
Shiki will appear as a korozumi, a former Rocks pirates with a design based on Japan culture and his nickname is of a beast ( Golden lion), so he fit with the theme of the arc in multiple ways, and this was hinted at when the old hag with the clone fruit showed his face
SNs will use their ultimate attacks soon only to be revealed that Kaido can't be killed by them, then he gets serious and destroy them, that's how the fight will go down and it's obvious
Full summary, thanks to redon from Arlong Park Forums.
Chapter 1,009: "Hell (Naraku)"
Luffy appears on the cover of Weekly Shonen Jump #18, holding his hat while sakura petals fly around him.
In the Color Spread, the Straw Hat pirates are playing in the snow with Otama, Komachiyo and Bunbuku (the kettle that ate Inu Inu no Mi model Tanuki).
The fire is still spreading inside Onigashima castle. The Red Scabbards run into Orochi and Fukurokuju on the way, both are shocked.
Fukurokuju: "Orochi-sama, they don't know that you've already died once.
Please run and let me handle the Red Scabbards."
Orochi says he can't since inside the castle is filled with enemies. Besides the Red Scabbards are heavily injured, so Orochi thinks he can take them on. Orochi then mocks the Red Scabbards about Kanjuurou, saying that he's also fooled by Kyoshiro so it's even now. Orochi then transforms into his Yamata no Orochi form and attacks.
In an epic double spread, the Red Scabbards cut all of Orochi's head at once. Kinemon says they have no time to waste with him (he's implying that Orochi is not dead yet?) so they will leave his judgement to hell. The Red Scabbards continues on but Raizou stays to fight Fukurokuju.
Raizou: "I have misjudged you. I didn't expect you to fight for such a fool to the very end."
Fukurokuju: "I could say the same about you. It is fate that we will have to fight each other at last, Raizou!"
Cut to Onigashima rooftop. Kid asks Law why he can't just transport one of the Yonkou somewhere else. Law replies that he'd do that long ago if he can, but their Haki is too strong so he can't move them anywhere.
Big Mom suggests to Kaidou that they attack together and finish all Supernovas in one blow.
Kaidou: "I hope your legs and hip are still good enough, old hag!!"
Big Mom: "Who do you think you are talking to, boy!!"
Big Mom and Kaidou: "Hakai (覇海 Conquering the Sea)!!!"
Big Mom and Kaidou use a massive combined attack, they swing their weapons at the same time and send massive wave at the Supernova which is too fast for any of them to dodge. However, Zoro blocks the attack with his swords.
Zoro: "Get out of the way or we will all die!!"
Big Mom and Kaidou attack destroys part of the island. Law transports Zoro out in time so he survives but is heavily injured. Kid thanks Zoro for managing to slow down the attack even if he managed to do it for 1 second.
Luffy immediately jumps again and uses "Gomu Gomu no Red Hawk" at Kaidou, but Kaidou dodges it before Luffy can complete the attack. Luffy smiles.
Luffy: "So you have to dodge it because this can actually hurt you, right?"
Kaidou hits Luffy with his Kanabo. Luffy is thrown away but he manages to block the Kanabo with haki-cladded arms. His arms hurt but Luffy os still fine. Kaidou follows up by shooting a beam from his mouth at Luffy that dodges it. Then Kaidou jumps up and uses "Kouzanze Ragunaraku" (降三世 引奈落 Three-world Ragnarok) an attack where he spins his Kanabo around with a lot of black thunder coming out before striking down on Luffy.
Back to Big Mom Vs. the other Supernova. Kid creates a metal box then tells Law he is ready. Law then uses "Chambres" to transport Zeus into the box.
Killer and Zoro (that is still coughing up blood) then attack together. Zoro uses “Homurasaki” to slice up Prometheus while Killer attacks Napoleon, separating both of them from Big Mom.
Kid then uses “Punk Pistols” to shoot multiple metal arrows at Big Mom.
Big Mom: "Do you think you can win just by separating them from me?"
The arrows don’t work on Big Mom at all. She then punches Kid down to the ground. Kid takes Big Mom punch in full but he then grabs her arm and uses “Repel”, bouncing Big Mom’s body up into the air. Law then uses “Takt” to throw a huge rock at Big Mom.
Big Mom: “Why do you still think these rocks can work against me?”
Then Big Mom realizes that the rock has pushed her off the edge of Onigashima, and below her is only the sea. Big Mom then summons Zeus to help her, but Zeus is still trapped in Kid’s box.
Law: "If we manage to stop them from helping her, then there’s one player off the stage!"
Big Mom starts to fall into the sea...
End of chapter. No break next week.
Chapter 1,009: "Hell (Naraku)"
Luffy appears on the cover of Weekly Shonen Jump #18, holding his hat while sakura petals fly around him.
In the Color Spread, the Straw Hat pirates are playing in the snow with Otama, Komachiyo and Bunbuku (the kettle that ate Inu Inu no Mi model Tanuki).
The fire is still spreading inside Onigashima castle. The Red Scabbards run into Orochi and Fukurokuju on the way, both are shocked.
Fukurokuju: "Orochi-sama, they don't know that you've already died once.
Please run and let me handle the Red Scabbards."
Orochi says he can't since inside the castle is filled with enemies. Besides the Red Scabbards are heavily injured, so Orochi thinks he can take them on. Orochi then mocks the Red Scabbards about Kanjuurou, saying that he's also fooled by Kyoshiro so it's even now. Orochi then transforms into his Yamata no Orochi form and attacks.
In an epic double spread, the Red Scabbards cut all of Orochi's head at once. Kinemon says they have no time to waste with him (he's implying that Orochi is not dead yet?) so they will leave his judgement to hell. The Red Scabbards continues on but Raizou stays to fight Fukurokuju.
Raizou: "I have misjudged you. I didn't expect you to fight for such a fool to the very end."
Fukurokuju: "I could say the same about you. It is fate that we will have to fight each other at last, Raizou!"
Cut to Onigashima rooftop. Kid asks Law why he can't just transport one of the Yonkou somewhere else. Law replies that he'd do that long ago if he can, but their Haki is too strong so he can't move them anywhere.
Big Mom suggests to Kaidou that they attack together and finish all Supernovas in one blow.
Kaidou: "I hope your legs and hip are still good enough, old hag!!"
Big Mom: "Who do you think you are talking to, boy!!"
Big Mom and Kaidou: "Hakai (覇海 Conquering the Sea)!!!"
Big Mom and Kaidou use a massive combined attack, they swing their weapons at the same time and send massive wave at the Supernova which is too fast for any of them to dodge. However, Zoro blocks the attack with his swords.
Zoro: "Get out of the way or we will all die!!"
Big Mom and Kaidou attack destroys part of the island. Law transports Zoro out in time so he survives but is heavily injured. Kid thanks Zoro for managing to slow down the attack even if he managed to do it for 1 second.
Luffy immediately jumps again and uses "Gomu Gomu no Red Hawk" at Kaidou, but Kaidou dodges it before Luffy can complete the attack. Luffy smiles.
Luffy: "So you have to dodge it because this can actually hurt you, right?"
Kaidou hits Luffy with his Kanabo. Luffy is thrown away but he manages to block the Kanabo with haki-cladded arms. His arms hurt but Luffy os still fine. Kaidou follows up by shooting a beam from his mouth at Luffy that dodges it. Then Kaidou jumps up and uses "Kouzanze Ragunaraku" (降三世 引奈落 Three-world Ragnarok) an attack where he spins his Kanabo around with a lot of black thunder coming out before striking down on Luffy.
Back to Big Mom Vs. the other Supernova. Kid creates a metal box then tells Law he is ready. Law then uses "Chambres" to transport Zeus into the box.
Killer and Zoro (that is still coughing up blood) then attack together. Zoro uses “Homurasaki” to slice up Prometheus while Killer attacks Napoleon, separating both of them from Big Mom.
Kid then uses “Punk Pistols” to shoot multiple metal arrows at Big Mom.
Big Mom: "Do you think you can win just by separating them from me?"
The arrows don’t work on Big Mom at all. She then punches Kid down to the ground. Kid takes Big Mom punch in full but he then grabs her arm and uses “Repel”, bouncing Big Mom’s body up into the air. Law then uses “Takt” to throw a huge rock at Big Mom.
Big Mom: “Why do you still think these rocks can work against me?”
Then Big Mom realizes that the rock has pushed her off the edge of Onigashima, and below her is only the sea. Big Mom then summons Zeus to help her, but Zeus is still trapped in Kid’s box.
Law: "If we manage to stop them from helping her, then there’s one player off the stage!"
Big Mom starts to fall into the sea...
End of chapter. No break next week.
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