Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1009 Spoilers Discussion
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@Seraphoenix Dang, Luffy is survivng AcoA attacks from hybrid Kaido
Rip his retcon feat
Rip his retcon feat
On my phone so I'm not quoting all the different parts one by one:
First the ones I disagree on:
1. Reaction speed: Batman: Dude seriously, that's something powerlevel based for you?
That's imo some random ass story scene.
Imo that goes back to personality traits and simple characterization. Nothing power level based for me entirely.
And in that Apo scene Luffy knew just aswell something's coming- How's that suppose to indicate any form of superiority?
For the two known rooftop scenes:
Similiar to Law he just has Luffy's back.
They keep an eye on him and help him out, while he's in the middle of the Yonkou trouble. That certainly does not indicate any form of superiority either for me.
Easier job to observe from a safe distance and anticipate than dealing with that stuff directly.
Or do you think Law also has superior reaction speed compared to Luffy, which you would have to assume if you base your analysis on such scenes, cause he helped him the same way.
In that one scene he even just came out of a a half dodged Thunder Bagua, an attack no one besides him is factually able to dodge, cause they lack exactly that one ability that makes you even able to react to it somewhat in the first place. It's actually a positive feat for Luffy.
Which would also by my stance on that matter. FS just as the name says, is the golden standard here. By default everyone is inferior in reaction speed, logically.
As further noticed at hand of the hakai scene where Luffy reacts the first aswell this chapter.
2. I don't see how Tatsumaki or air slashes deal with that environmental effect as they spawn right below your feet.
That stuff still means trouble imo.
The guys you named are pretty much the only ones that don't have anything I named as a counter-besides Garp and his Geppou.
I personally assume that Roger and Shanks would have something CoC based for that.
But that's only headcanon for now, obviously.
But I expect it to be one aspect that might later really pull down those guys' overall levels a little, cause they might not really have a real solution for it.
But wait and see like you mentioned aswell.
That Tatsumaki argument is a nice one though. I will add that to my arsenal.
Especially when Zoro learns to control those max flow haki techs even w/o Enma and bumps the power of three blades full of overflowing haki into it.
Tatsumaki then gets even much more powerful.
Indeed diffiuclt to see how guys below top tier would be able to deal with it.
Nice one, didn't think of that.
First the ones I disagree on:
1. Reaction speed: Batman: Dude seriously, that's something powerlevel based for you?
That's imo some random ass story scene.
Imo that goes back to personality traits and simple characterization. Nothing power level based for me entirely.
And in that Apo scene Luffy knew just aswell something's coming- How's that suppose to indicate any form of superiority?
For the two known rooftop scenes:
Similiar to Law he just has Luffy's back.
They keep an eye on him and help him out, while he's in the middle of the Yonkou trouble. That certainly does not indicate any form of superiority either for me.
Easier job to observe from a safe distance and anticipate than dealing with that stuff directly.
Or do you think Law also has superior reaction speed compared to Luffy, which you would have to assume if you base your analysis on such scenes, cause he helped him the same way.
In that one scene he even just came out of a a half dodged Thunder Bagua, an attack no one besides him is factually able to dodge, cause they lack exactly that one ability that makes you even able to react to it somewhat in the first place. It's actually a positive feat for Luffy.
Which would also by my stance on that matter. FS just as the name says, is the golden standard here. By default everyone is inferior in reaction speed, logically.
As further noticed at hand of the hakai scene where Luffy reacts the first aswell this chapter.
2. I don't see how Tatsumaki or air slashes deal with that environmental effect as they spawn right below your feet.
That stuff still means trouble imo.
The guys you named are pretty much the only ones that don't have anything I named as a counter-besides Garp and his Geppou.
I personally assume that Roger and Shanks would have something CoC based for that.
But that's only headcanon for now, obviously.
But I expect it to be one aspect that might later really pull down those guys' overall levels a little, cause they might not really have a real solution for it.
But wait and see like you mentioned aswell.
That Tatsumaki argument is a nice one though. I will add that to my arsenal.
Especially when Zoro learns to control those max flow haki techs even w/o Enma and bumps the power of three blades full of overflowing haki into it.
Tatsumaki then gets even much more powerful.
Indeed diffiuclt to see how guys below top tier would be able to deal with it.
Nice one, didn't think of that.
@Kishido Jinbei in the back while Luffy, Zoro and Sanji sitting together in the colour spread 
But right now Zoro should sit in front of everyone
PS
Yamato won't change shit as well
Would be cool. At any rate, the Axolotl devil fruit will allow him to reassemble his body limbs and organs to perfect condition. Perfect set up by Oda.
I trust Oda with cool design and future mission for Vergod
Also, new pacifistas will have Vergo as the template. Prepare yourself, when Sanji sees Vergo pacifistas he will shit himself, that turd sandwich
I trust Oda with cool design and future mission for Vergod
Also, new pacifistas will have Vergo as the template. Prepare yourself, when Sanji sees Vergo pacifistas he will shit himself, that turd sandwich
The new translations with Killer asking Zoro if he can push himself to cut Prometheus and Zoro saying that he has to, and the blood he coughs at the end of the chapter makes it seem like he might be unable to fight for a while now 
My scaling is something like this:
- Top Top Tier
- Primebeard with the Gura
- Awakened (?) Hybrid Kaido
- High Top Tier
- Hybrid Kaido
- Sakazuki
- Prometheus Fused Mama
- Mid Top Tier
- Base Kaido
- Issho
- Low Top Tier
- Old Rayleigh
- Old Garp
- Old Sengoku
- Rooftop Zoro
Anyway, your downplaying Zoro's feat.
- He didn't stop the attack for one second but several. While Zoro was blocking the attack, we see:
- A massive shockwave
- Mama and Kaido reacting with shock that someone could block their attack:
- Zoro having a full fledged conversation with the other Supernova:
- The Supernova dodging
- It's not at all clear that Primebeard would be able to completely block the attack himself
- He'll do better than Zoro, but how much better is unknown
- We don't know how strong Mihawk is
- Mihawk's COA may well be on a level above even Prime Roger and Primebeard given his Black Blade
- We don't know how far from Mihawk current Zoro is
- We don't know how much stronger than Mihawk EOS Zoro is
We don't know what difficulty the Admiral he'll fight would be.
We don't know how they would compare to Kaido.
- Kaido's Awakening is speculative
- Kaido's Awakening might be a passive that only boosts his regeneration
- There may be no separate Awakened form.
- Some top tiers didn't have Awakening
- E.g. Whitebeard
- Zoro has yet to show an attack stronger than the Hiryuu Kaen he used in 1002.
- I think it would be the final attack he lands on Kaido.
- Kaido and Mama may have stronger combination attacks, but I doubt they can replicate this level of firepower alone, let alone exceed it.
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Yeah I'm all about Bandana Piece now like you can tell now but where did the lame stuff come from? LAME? I remember you, you werent this salty :(
Vergo is the most talented fighter, you cant call him lame :cheers:
It takes skill to troll fight Sanji and beat him at his own game even if Sanji is a weak chump, I'll give ya that :) plus the other skills he showcased, a very all rounded perfect specimen
Vergo is the most talented fighter, you cant call him lame :cheers:
It takes skill to troll fight Sanji and beat him at his own game even if Sanji is a weak chump, I'll give ya that :) plus the other skills he showcased, a very all rounded perfect specimen
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