General & Others Is Zoro the vice-captain or close? Is he Lufy's right-hand man?

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Luffys crew in his own head is modelled after shanks who himself modelled his on rogers.
The shs will have a vc. It will be zoro.
Ok now you are just fanboying, at least try to be rational.

Luffy is not Shanks and Zoro is not Beckman.
Jinbe led the crew while escaping BM.
Sanji led the crew in Zou.
I can’t remember when Zoro was leading the crew but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt

All have equal leadership moments
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Ok now you are just fanboying, at least try to be rational.

Luffy is not Shanks and Zoro is not Beckman.
Jinbe led the crew while escaping BM.
Sanji led the crew in Zou.
I can’t remember when Zoro was leading the crew but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt

All have equal leadership moments
Theres nothing more rational than saying luffys crew will be modelled on shanks in his own head. Who in turn set up like roger.
 
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More like choppers decision, though sanji brings up what CC said about saving the minks maybe not being beneficial to them:

I get what you're saying, with Chopper reacting out of his natural instinct as a doctor. But when Wanda asks for help from them, the one who answers is Nami, letting her know they won't abandon a single person. Which is why you have the panel earlier with Nami in deep thinking with Sanji giving caution as to what could happen if they decide to help, to Nami.
 
Are you dumb.
Theres nothing more rational than saying luffys crew will be modelled on shanks in his own head. Who in turn set up like roger.
Anyway, no Zoro is not the VC no matter how much you try to wank him, Jinbe is more of a leader than both Sanji and Zoro.
 
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Inspector_Mu

Apparently the name "curly hat pirates"/"Twirly hat crew" gets a lot of significance to it here.

People are seemingly forgetting the circumstances in which that name was created.





It arose out of a gag scene where nami vehemently says they wont set sail without luffy, their captain, because they are the strawhat crew. Then some crazy shit happens and she wants to leave as "twirly hat crew".

And now @everyone that humored this name and the idea that it gives sanji significance, get back on topic discussing whether zoro is the vice captain/first mate/right hand or not lmao.
The moment Oda uses it on narrator boxes
It is official

Strawhat pirates under luffy
Curly hats pirates under Sanjj
 
The moment Oda uses it on narrator boxes
It is official

Strawhat pirates under luffy
Curly hats pirates under Sanjj
What do you mean by official? That name still arose out of a gag scene. And oda probably just ran with it. This is not elevating sanjis significance in any way and imo if you suggest that you are not exactly being honest but biased af.
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Btw why are you still not banned? I guess @Erkan12 is right about Zorotards protection.
Anyway, no Zoro is not the VC no matter how much you try to wank him, Jinbe is more of a leader than both Sanji and Zoro.
arguing zoro is the VC doesnt have anything to do with wanking him. Being VC wouldnt make him strong. Being strong is what makes him strong.

I somewhat agree on jinbe though.
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I get what you're saying, with Chopper reacting out of his natural instinct as a doctor. But when Wanda asks for help from them, the one who answers is Nami, letting her know they won't abandon a single person. Which is why you have the panel earlier with Nami in deep thinking with Sanji giving caution as to what could happen if they decide to help, to Nami.
yeah but chopper was at that point already set on saving them.
 
I guess people forget when Luffy left Vivi in Zoro’s care the first time he went to fight Crocodile
I don't remember that, can you post panels?


or when Zoro was leading his Skypeia team at the Sacrificial Altar
I don't remember that either, was Sanji there? was the crew there? Was Zoro exercising leadership as a captain?

or when Zoro was taking charge in W7 even with Luffy around after Usopp left the crew
Was that when Zoro asked the crew to collect their things from the ship?


or Zoro taking charge at the Bridge of Hesitation when Luffy was fighting Lucci
I don't remember Zoro leading here, you could post panels


or when Zoro gave Luffy the conditions for Usopp to return to the crew (and Sanji agreed with Zoro over Nami)
This is similar when Sanji kicked Luffy as he was about to send Usopp off the ship. Zoro also agreed, Luffy wasn't making that decision thinking rationally.


or when Zoro was leading the fight against Oars when Luffy was fighting Moria,
Post the panels

or when Zoro took charge when Kuma revealed himself and Luffy was KO’d
Zoro and Sanji attacked Kuma, and both volunteered to take Luffy's pain. Both were playing the role of VC there

or when Zoro took over Ryugu Palace and took King Neptune hostage
Post the panels

or when Sabo gave Zoro Luffy’s Vivre card over Robin (who he actually knew)
Sanji was not there

or when Robin deferred for Zoro’s judgement and not Law’s when Luffy went ahead on Zou
Post the panels

or when Zoro was ordering Sanji and Franky around at Rasetsu town...
Post the panels




Zoro led the crew after Enies Lobby when even his captain was about to make a huge mistake by running towards Ussop instead of acting like a real captain.
Sanji also subjugated how Luffy should behave as captain here, since Luffy wasn't making a rational decision.




The second moment is in Thriller Bark when Zoro was even willing to sacrifice his own life by protecting his captain and the crew.
Why do you think Zoro knocked Sanji out in the first place? It's because of Zoro's responsibility as the vice captain not to endanger his crew mates.
Zoro and Sanji tried to attack Kuma and both wanted to offer their lives for Luffy. Both were playing the role of VC, even though Zoro thought he was better able to withstand death.



Heck, at first Sanji should demonstrate that he's on par with Nami in command since Nami as the navigator has huge responsibilities in the crew. That's why she discussed with Zoro about Ussop instead of Sanji.

Nami argued with Zoro because she disagreed with Zoro's decision. But Sanji agreed, or else he would have argued the same way. You must not have read this part, Sanji's word convinced Nami




I have dozens of panels showing Zoro commanding and leading the crew even when Sanji was there.
Show me then, I want to see them

Btw. Sanji hurting Luffy, disrespecting him and leaving the crew already made it clear that he is not on par with Zoro in terms of hierarchy
You're just being ignorant here and ignoring the whole context. There was a whole framework of events for Sanji to orchestrate a betrayal, WCI just developed and firmed Luffy and Sanji's relationship, Luffy himself acknowledged that Sanji wasn't being real, and that the pain of the kicks was Sanji who was feeling and etc ... I don't want to discuss much about Sanji, but it has nothing to do with hierarchy here


Fuck, he's not even on par with Nami...
I think you exaggerated, you shouldn't be so lay thinking








 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
I don't remember that, can you post panels?




I don't remember that either, was Sanji there? was the crew there? Was Zoro exercising leadership as a captain?



Was that when Zoro asked the crew to collect their things from the ship?




I don't remember Zoro leading here, you could post panels




This is similar when Sanji kicked Luffy as he was about to send Usopp off the ship. Zoro also agreed, Luffy wasn't making that decision thinking rationally.




Post the panels



Zoro and Sanji attacked Kuma, and both volunteered to take Luffy's pain. Both were playing the role of VC there



Post the panels



Sanji was not there



Post the panels



Post the panels






Sanji also subjugated how Luffy should behave as captain here, since Luffy wasn't making a rational decision.






Zoro and Sanji tried to attack Kuma and both wanted to offer their lives for Luffy. Both were playing the role of VC, even though Zoro thought he was better able to withstand death.






Nami argued with Zoro because she disagreed with Zoro's decision. But Sanji agreed, or else he would have argued the same way. You must not have read this part, Sanji's word convinced Nami






Show me then, I want to see them



You're just being ignorant here and ignoring the whole context. There was a whole framework of events for Sanji to orchestrate a betrayal, WCI just developed and firmed Luffy and Sanji's relationship, Luffy himself acknowledged that Sanji wasn't being real, and that the pain of the kicks was Sanji who was feeling and etc ... I don't want to discuss much about Sanji, but it has nothing to do with hierarchy here




I think you exaggerated, you shouldn't be so lay thinking








That's a whole lot of I dont remember. :josad:
 
I guess people forget when Luffy left Vivi in Zoro’s care the first time he went to fight Crocodile, or when Zoro was leading his Skypeia team at the Sacrificial Altar, or when Zoro was taking charge in W7 even with Luffy around after Usopp left the crew, or Zoro taking charge at the Bridge of Hesitation when Luffy was fighting Lucci, or when Zoro gave Luffy the conditions for Usopp to return to the crew (and Sanji agreed with Zoro over Nami), or when Zoro was leading the fight against Oars when Luffy was fighting Moria, or when Zoro took charge when Kuma revealed himself and Luffy was KO’d, or when Zoro took over Ryugu Palace and took King Neptune hostage, or when Sabo gave Zoro Luffy’s Vivre card over Robin (who he actually knew), or when Robin deferred for Zoro’s judgement and not Law’s when Luffy went ahead on Zou, or when Zoro was ordering Sanji and Franky around at Rasetsu town...

I’m sure there are other incidents that I’m leaving out.
Hey you get outta here with your logic and facts.
 
Well at least we know for sure that Usopp is a Yasopp parallel :yasu:

Anyway Rayleigh's fighting style is swordsmanship plus he is badass. 1+1=?

Unless we want to try to go into deep complex analysis at all costs
Ussop is not blonde as Yassop plus Ussop doesn't use guns.

Sanji used a gun against Robin and is blonde therefore Sanji is the next Yassop .

(Thanks Ndule reasoning).
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I guess people forget when Luffy left Vivi in Zoro’s care the first time he went to fight Crocodile, or when Zoro was leading his Skypeia team at the Sacrificial Altar, or when Zoro was taking charge in W7 even with Luffy around after Usopp left the crew, or Zoro taking charge at the Bridge of Hesitation when Luffy was fighting Lucci, or when Zoro gave Luffy the conditions for Usopp to return to the crew (and Sanji agreed with Zoro over Nami), or when Zoro was leading the fight against Oars when Luffy was fighting Moria, or when Zoro took charge when Kuma revealed himself and Luffy was KO’d, or when Zoro took over Ryugu Palace and took King Neptune hostage, or when Sabo gave Zoro Luffy’s Vivre card over Robin (who he actually knew), or when Robin deferred for Zoro’s judgement and not Law’s when Luffy went ahead on Zou, or when Zoro was ordering Sanji and Franky around at Rasetsu town...

I’m sure there are other incidents that I’m leaving out.
Some have a fragile memory....

Be comprehensive .....
 
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Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
Ussop is not blonde as Yassop plus Ussop doesn't use guns.

Sanji used a gun against Robin and is blonde therefore Sanji is the next Yassop .

(Thanks Ndule reasoning).
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Some have a fragile memory....

Be comprehensive .....
Didn't Usopp himself state something about his father? Or my memory betrays me here :cheers:
 
Zoro needs such an intro box otherwise all this talk about him being the VC and first mate is all wank. We saw Oda is not afraid to give new intro boxes to existing characters when he did it with Luffy post-WCI.
zoro "intro box "
:milaugh:

people are really putting sanji in the first mate debate when we all acknowledged in the duo thread, his relationship with luffy isnt as expansive as zoro's or jinbei's interaction with him are. BRUH.
you got zoro nami usopp before you got sanji
vc states he takes the second strongest in the crew
strength only second to the captain
vc like role
to state he is not rayleigh's parallel is one thing
to state he isnt the first mate is another level I didnt think would be reached. Like what else do you want. two people in the op world see zoro that way, others wonder why someone like him isnt the captain.
:suresure:
these same blokes will tell you sanji is the unofficial supernova with no source in sight. sanji vivrecard says he is the cook and acts like an advisor to the crew. since both titles are not confirmed, sanji isnt the advisor either. zoro is the combatant and sanji is just the cook.
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I found out zoro isnt a pure swordsman :milaugh:
 
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Sanji fans are sad as fuck. Sanji could never lead zoro ever never he bakes cakes and takes orders from zoro and is amazed at zoros will all they way in his own introduction arc. Curly haired pirates? That was a disaster didn’t do anything but get kidnapped by a Worst Generation member. What has Sanji done that’s impressive in the last 15 years😂and ya talkin bout some vice captain stop it
 
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Sanji fans are sad as fuck. Sanji could never lead zoro ever never he bakes cakes and takes orders from zoro and is amazed at zoros will all they way in his own introduction arc. Curly haired pirates? That was a disaster didn’t do anything but get kidnapped by a Worst Generation member. What has Sanji done that’s impressive in the last 15 years😂and ya talkin bout some vice captain stop it

tbf he got enough ap to crack his captain's skull :milaugh:
 
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