Please read before responding, not directly answer the question in the title.
I ask this because its been weird to me to see fans of Zoro say that the feats performed by Zoro is enough outside of ZKK
Like go back to Thriller Bark for a second:
- Zoro fought Ryuuma for a chapter. It was an amazing portrayal of a "quick" swordsman fight that had constant back and forth where both swordsman tried to one up each other until the end.
- Zoro, like everyone else, fought Oars for nearly 10 chapters. Zoro was given additional displays of feats before this so adding even more to this was a treat (same with Sanji and Usopp)
- Then Oda did the unthinkable and gave Zoro a 1v1 fight against another Shichibukai for 2 chapters. Again, this fight had the same feel as Zoro vs Ryuuma in terms of duo type dance between two characters.
Here are examples of those moments:
Go back even further and you see this with him vs Mr 1 and Kaku
There's something about this hopefully exemplifies what I'm saying with Zoro. Conversely here is exactly what I mean when you apply the same idea to Luffy:
This is the shit i've always lived for in One Piece. I stress that others like Sanji, Chopper, Franky, etc get these moments and chances are they get them against the Executives this arc. I just wanted to show this comparison with Luffy and Zoro, the two fighting Kaido up until this chapter.
Now, compare to the Kaido fight with Luffy and Zoro. So far, nothing like this has happened before 1010. None of Zoro's portrayals above can be deemed as a true 1v1 moment. He tanked Hakai. He used Asura. Great moments for sure, but they last 1 double spread each. Zoro has struck Kaido multiple times before in great double spreads, but not to the same effect as to having his portrayed 1v1 battle against someone.
Now, compare to (finally) Luffy in 1010:
After 10 chapters, I finally got the same moment I was looking for in other arcs, at least with Luffy. Do you see why I fundamentally have an issue with Zoro doing what he did on the roof, only to get nothing between now and the supposed ZKK feat that people want?
After 530 chapters, Zoro still has gotten none of those moments from pre-TS, while Luffy now has had these moments 3 times since. This is not an argument of portrayal or "FEATS", its an argument of giving Zoro the respect he deserves to have more onscreen panel fights than he's gotten since post-TS started.
And before this turns into some accusation that this is a Zoro vs King thread bait, I'm actually more disappointed Oda didn't "portay" Zoro in the above ways AGAINST Kaido, not King. Now that he's effectively done up there (for now I will say), I "hope" he at least gets this level of intimate 1v1 portrayal against someone else that isn't just a walking Tank for single use moves.
And no, ZKK does not alleviate this desire. It still amounts to nothing of the sort happening for Zoro outside of arguably a bombastic moment of portrayal, because in the end all Zoro tried to do was literally cut Kaido. This is different in that with Mr 1, he tried to cut him, but fought him constantly for 2 chapters until he cut him. If Zoro went back to the roof and fought Kaido as Luffy is currently doing or how both have fought opponents in the past, then I WOULD be satisfied. Right now, I am not because all this has been chalked up to are feat moments that do not equate to personal combative fights (aka 1v1s)
Tldr: Zoro's only measurement of swordsmanship feats shouldn't be about his few moments above and ZKK (if it happens). Throwing constant attacks against a walking tank like Kaido (this goes for everyone up there prior to Luffy's CoC attacks this chapter) shouldn't be satisfying enough for Zoro fans on a fundamental level for combative moments in an arc that we've dealt with for over 100 chapters.
The key word here is "fluidity". Up until Luffy's CoC attacks, nothing about Kaido's fight has looked fluid at all. I would be disappointed if Zoro didn't those same moments against someone, Kaido OR King.
To those who see this thread in the coming weeks/months, I'm sorry in advance because chances are these pictures will be gone and it would be hard to explain my point without them. It literally uses the max picture count for the post
Edit: I guess I should start doing this:
I ask this because its been weird to me to see fans of Zoro say that the feats performed by Zoro is enough outside of ZKK
Like go back to Thriller Bark for a second:
- Zoro fought Ryuuma for a chapter. It was an amazing portrayal of a "quick" swordsman fight that had constant back and forth where both swordsman tried to one up each other until the end.
- Zoro, like everyone else, fought Oars for nearly 10 chapters. Zoro was given additional displays of feats before this so adding even more to this was a treat (same with Sanji and Usopp)
- Then Oda did the unthinkable and gave Zoro a 1v1 fight against another Shichibukai for 2 chapters. Again, this fight had the same feel as Zoro vs Ryuuma in terms of duo type dance between two characters.
Here are examples of those moments:
Go back even further and you see this with him vs Mr 1 and Kaku
There's something about this hopefully exemplifies what I'm saying with Zoro. Conversely here is exactly what I mean when you apply the same idea to Luffy:
This is the shit i've always lived for in One Piece. I stress that others like Sanji, Chopper, Franky, etc get these moments and chances are they get them against the Executives this arc. I just wanted to show this comparison with Luffy and Zoro, the two fighting Kaido up until this chapter.
Now, compare to the Kaido fight with Luffy and Zoro. So far, nothing like this has happened before 1010. None of Zoro's portrayals above can be deemed as a true 1v1 moment. He tanked Hakai. He used Asura. Great moments for sure, but they last 1 double spread each. Zoro has struck Kaido multiple times before in great double spreads, but not to the same effect as to having his portrayed 1v1 battle against someone.
Now, compare to (finally) Luffy in 1010:
After 10 chapters, I finally got the same moment I was looking for in other arcs, at least with Luffy. Do you see why I fundamentally have an issue with Zoro doing what he did on the roof, only to get nothing between now and the supposed ZKK feat that people want?
After 530 chapters, Zoro still has gotten none of those moments from pre-TS, while Luffy now has had these moments 3 times since. This is not an argument of portrayal or "FEATS", its an argument of giving Zoro the respect he deserves to have more onscreen panel fights than he's gotten since post-TS started.
And before this turns into some accusation that this is a Zoro vs King thread bait, I'm actually more disappointed Oda didn't "portay" Zoro in the above ways AGAINST Kaido, not King. Now that he's effectively done up there (for now I will say), I "hope" he at least gets this level of intimate 1v1 portrayal against someone else that isn't just a walking Tank for single use moves.
And no, ZKK does not alleviate this desire. It still amounts to nothing of the sort happening for Zoro outside of arguably a bombastic moment of portrayal, because in the end all Zoro tried to do was literally cut Kaido. This is different in that with Mr 1, he tried to cut him, but fought him constantly for 2 chapters until he cut him. If Zoro went back to the roof and fought Kaido as Luffy is currently doing or how both have fought opponents in the past, then I WOULD be satisfied. Right now, I am not because all this has been chalked up to are feat moments that do not equate to personal combative fights (aka 1v1s)
Tldr: Zoro's only measurement of swordsmanship feats shouldn't be about his few moments above and ZKK (if it happens). Throwing constant attacks against a walking tank like Kaido (this goes for everyone up there prior to Luffy's CoC attacks this chapter) shouldn't be satisfying enough for Zoro fans on a fundamental level for combative moments in an arc that we've dealt with for over 100 chapters.
The key word here is "fluidity". Up until Luffy's CoC attacks, nothing about Kaido's fight has looked fluid at all. I would be disappointed if Zoro didn't those same moments against someone, Kaido OR King.
To those who see this thread in the coming weeks/months, I'm sorry in advance because chances are these pictures will be gone and it would be hard to explain my point without them. It literally uses the max picture count for the post
Edit: I guess I should start doing this:
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@LANJI CUCKSMOKE
@HA001
@Zowo
@Ice devil slayer
@playa4321
@Oblivion
@Bullet
@Buusatan94
@TheAncientCenturion
@Pantheos
@Bounty
@Jo_Ndule
@5000 ng/dl or death
@Finalbeta
@Tekashi69420
And like a thousand more people I'm forgetting....
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