Current Events Honest Question: Why don't people actually want a real 1v1 fight for Zoro?
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I will explain why you dont get that. :yasu:
Zoro fans are saying the same they were saying before - Zoro kills Kaido.
It is Anti-Zolo Pirates who are getting aggressive that ZKK is still the go-to solution for Kaido.
Comprendes?
Zoro fans are saying the same they were saying before - Zoro kills Kaido.
It is Anti-Zolo Pirates who are getting aggressive that ZKK is still the go-to solution for Kaido.
Comprendes?
The idea that he's going to recover and go back up and not listen to his captain and kill Kaido probably has to be one of the worst overstretched fan theories I've seen on this site. Not only that it has disillusioned like 50% of the fanbase to believe it, even after Oda is basically saying "no"
I was on board with the idea of ZKK before Oda decided to have Zoro lose. Now it just doesn't make sense at all lol. There were many other ways Oda could have given Luffy his 1v1 without removing Zoro from the fight. Temporarily knocking Zoro out with Bagua instead of tanking Hakai, would have a very logical thing to do if he REALLY wanted him to keep fighting Kaido
On mobile, so can’t give a lengthy answer. I might later on. It’s not that I don’t think it will happen, it’s that I don’t see the point of it at the moment. Fights in One Piece aren’t just about “intuitive” movement. More often than not, they should inform/reinforce/grow the character in a way.
There is nothing from fighting King I see that informs/grows Zoro’s character. It would just be a fight that conforms to long held formulas, and having it as Zoro’s last contribution for the arc at this stage undermines the groundwork Oda laid out for him.
I also find the order of events strange. If it were so important for Zoro to fight King, why not have it occur before he went on the roof? It allows King to fight a fresh Zoro and preserve his threat level. Zoro learning to cut fire would have on panel basis rather than being offscreened, and Zoro would grow from the fight to better prepare him for his time against Kaido.
There is nothing from fighting King I see that informs/grows Zoro’s character. It would just be a fight that conforms to long held formulas, and having it as Zoro’s last contribution for the arc at this stage undermines the groundwork Oda laid out for him.
I also find the order of events strange. If it were so important for Zoro to fight King, why not have it occur before he went on the roof? It allows King to fight a fresh Zoro and preserve his threat level. Zoro learning to cut fire would have on panel basis rather than being offscreened, and Zoro would grow from the fight to better prepare him for his time against Kaido.
What exactly is a problem in that? Just like he removed him he can bring him back or that's beyond your imaginary capabilities? :yasu:
I have predicted this exact scenario long before Zoro went to the roof, everything is going according to the plan.
That's the issue - Zoro didnt lose. Kaido has been unable to land a single clean shot on Zoro throughout the whole fight.
Zoro in fact has bested Kaido in 1vs1 exchange, Zoro proved to be a superior fighter than hybrid Kaido, the WSC.
The only thing Zoro has to prove is having enough firepower to kill Kaido and that's where ZKK comes in. It's inevitable. :yasu:
I have predicted this exact scenario long before Zoro went to the roof, everything is going according to the plan.
That's the issue - Zoro didnt lose. Kaido has been unable to land a single clean shot on Zoro throughout the whole fight.
Zoro in fact has bested Kaido in 1vs1 exchange, Zoro proved to be a superior fighter than hybrid Kaido, the WSC.
The only thing Zoro has to prove is having enough firepower to kill Kaido and that's where ZKK comes in. It's inevitable. :yasu:
The opposite idea is pretty ridiculous too though.
Instead of preserving the threat level of Kaido, people are saying that a weakened/half recovered Zoro will go back to the roof, 1v1 him later, and kill him, all while Luffy does nothing. If it's not that, it's that Luffy wins and Zoro killing a defeated Kaido like some sort of executioner is an amazing thing for Zoro to accomplish. Both options seem beyond the point of logic to me than not "preserving" Kings threat level
If Law miraculously leaves Zoro on the roof next chapter, then I'll believe the possibility is there, but removing him from the fight when it took them 15 chapters to even get to Kaido the first time seems pretty definitive to me that Zoro is NOT supposed to return to that fight.
Let alone the fact that when Luffy is serious, Zoro listens to his captain. He is the only person he respects.
Edit: like guys, already having a 20 chapter fight against Kaido before anything else was already unorthodox. But it still ended with Luffy getting his matchup. Luffy almost always starts his main fight even before the other ones start. Zoro going back down and now getting his main fight is not that shocking.
The manga is more about Luffy than Zoro lol, it's time we take the bias goggles off here.
Instead of preserving the threat level of Kaido, people are saying that a weakened/half recovered Zoro will go back to the roof, 1v1 him later, and kill him, all while Luffy does nothing. If it's not that, it's that Luffy wins and Zoro killing a defeated Kaido like some sort of executioner is an amazing thing for Zoro to accomplish. Both options seem beyond the point of logic to me than not "preserving" Kings threat level
If Law miraculously leaves Zoro on the roof next chapter, then I'll believe the possibility is there, but removing him from the fight when it took them 15 chapters to even get to Kaido the first time seems pretty definitive to me that Zoro is NOT supposed to return to that fight.
Let alone the fact that when Luffy is serious, Zoro listens to his captain. He is the only person he respects.
Edit: like guys, already having a 20 chapter fight against Kaido before anything else was already unorthodox. But it still ended with Luffy getting his matchup. Luffy almost always starts his main fight even before the other ones start. Zoro going back down and now getting his main fight is not that shocking.
The manga is more about Luffy than Zoro lol, it's time we take the bias goggles off here.
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Zoro has all the smoke with Kaido, but no buildup with King.
If he fights King, it's just a nice extra bonus wank from Oda before the inevitable finish with Kaido.
Why does Killer get to fight BM with Kidd but Zoro will not do the same with Luffy ? I thought you said Luffy & Zoro parallel Kidd & Killer?
If he fights King, it's just a nice extra bonus wank from Oda before the inevitable finish with Kaido.
Why does Killer get to fight BM with Kidd but Zoro will not do the same with Luffy ? I thought you said Luffy & Zoro parallel Kidd & Killer?
It’s too soon to drop the possibilities. Zoro is leaving the fight out of practical necessity. That doesn’t stop him from being implicated in someway later on.
Jumping the gun. We don’t know what state Kaido will be in after his fight with Luffy. But if he is injured, what matters is the context of which it occurs. In this case, most of us believe if he should kill Kaido it would be by rescuing the citizens below the capital. Zoro wouldn’t be an executioner in that case, he would be a saviour.
I’m not arguing about how likely it is. I’m talking about its merits at this given moment.
I’m not being biased here. You want a bias take from me, it would be Tashigi and Zoro wielding Ame No Habakiri and Enma respectively and scarring Kaido together. I don’t argue for that because of how unlikely it is. The reason I don’t subscribe with leaving it at King now is because this is clearly not a normal arc for Zoro, and to just expect the usual isn’t something I should just accept because it happened in arcs where Zoro was less important to their overall narrative.
Jumping the gun. We don’t know what state Kaido will be in after his fight with Luffy. But if he is injured, what matters is the context of which it occurs. In this case, most of us believe if he should kill Kaido it would be by rescuing the citizens below the capital. Zoro wouldn’t be an executioner in that case, he would be a saviour.
I’m not arguing about how likely it is. I’m talking about its merits at this given moment.
I’m not being biased here. You want a bias take from me, it would be Tashigi and Zoro wielding Ame No Habakiri and Enma respectively and scarring Kaido together. I don’t argue for that because of how unlikely it is. The reason I don’t subscribe with leaving it at King now is because this is clearly not a normal arc for Zoro, and to just expect the usual isn’t something I should just accept because it happened in arcs where Zoro was less important to their overall narrative.
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If luffy doesn’t kill kaido Kidd will.
Oda is not making a straw hat the executioner he will make luffys rival who actually kills kill kaido.
Think about the aftermath. Zoro killing kaido would make his bounty in the 2+billion range that’s not happening lmao.
Only one who can do it is kidd who would make sense to get a huge increase
also zoro is nor killing a straw hats father so if you believe Yamato is joining then kaido dying to zoro is nothing happening
Oda is not making a straw hat the executioner he will make luffys rival who actually kills kill kaido.
Think about the aftermath. Zoro killing kaido would make his bounty in the 2+billion range that’s not happening lmao.
Only one who can do it is kidd who would make sense to get a huge increase
also zoro is nor killing a straw hats father so if you believe Yamato is joining then kaido dying to zoro is nothing happening